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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:13

1861

Name: Margaret Rutherford
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Korgandeeny, Perth
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 128 Overgate
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1861_40
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Rutherford 53
Catherine Adamson 21
Arthur Grassie 10
Elizabeth Brown 56
Catherine Fraser 23
John Cowie 3
David Robertson 6
Mary Cowie 45
Thomas Robertson 49




Although there is no relationship given for Arthur, I wonder if he was Margaret's son and his father the Samuel Grassie who was living at the same address on the 1851 census?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:25

This looks like Margaret in 1841 (note there is also a Helen Jack in the household, the niece living with her in 1851?). On this census too, it looks like her daughter Catherine's surname is Addison. Could Janet Duff actually be Jessie Cliff later Garland?

Piece: SCT1841/282 Place: Dundee -Angus Enumeration District: 52
Civil Parish: Dundee Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 52 Page: 18
Address: Smith Court



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
RUTHERFORD James M 65 Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Margret F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Christian F 22 Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD John M 20 Iron Funder Appr Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Janet F 18 Lint Spiner Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD David M 16 Outside Census County (1841)
ADDISON Catherine F 8 Outside Census County (1841)
JACK Helen F 6 Outside Census County (1841)
DUFF Janet F 2 Outside Census County (1841)

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 11:30

Death for Margaret Rutherford

1885 RUTHERFORD MARGARET F 64 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

Margaret Rutherford (Farm Servant) SINGLE....died 08/02/1885 at Bell Street, Dundee....parents given as James (Farm Servant) and Jean Rutherford (not sure of maiden name) ......cert witnessed by Jessie Garland (daughter)

Age is a bit out though......she would have been over 70

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:33

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
KATHARINE RUTHERFORD Pedigree
Birth:
Christening: 14 NOV 1833 Rattray, Perth, Scotland
Parents:
Mother: MARGARET RUTHERFORD Family


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:35

That looks good Aileen! So that is probably her father James that she is living with in 1841.

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 11:42

I wonder how may of the assorted others over the census were Margaret's children?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:42

Aileen, could the maiden name for Jean be Smeaton?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0

MARGARET RUTHERFORD Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth: 01 JUL 1808

Christening: 10 JUL 1808 Forgandenny, Perth, Scotland
Parents:
Father: JAMES RUTHERFORD Family
Mother: JEAN SMEATON


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:45

Aileen - if my tree is anything to go by, there could be a few! I have one who had 7 children with 4 different fathers and she never married any of them - although the fathers were all free to marry and so was she.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:46

Father: James Rutherford
Mother: Jean Smeaton

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. MARY RUTHERFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAR 1816 Scone, Perth, Scotland

2. CHRISTIAN RUTHERFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 JUN 1818 Scone, Perth, Scotland

3. ALEXANDER RUTHERFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 DEC 1814 Scone, Perth, Scotland

4. MARGARET RUTHERFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 01 JUL 1808

5. MARGARET RUTHERFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUL 1808 Forgandenny, Perth, Scotland


Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 11:54

Mother's maiden name would have been Smeaton......I just couldn't be sure all I could make out was the S and the n

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 12:13

To complete the set 1861 census

Name: Marget Rutherford
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Forgandenny, Perth
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil Parish: Dundee
Town: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 130 Overgate
Occupation: Lope Teazer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 105
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1871_50
Household Members:
Name Age
Marget Rutherford 65
Catharine Rutherford 38
Arthur Rutherford 19
James Connacher 20
Ann Connacher 25

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 12:35

Well done Aileen! And there is Catherine and Arthur now Rutherfords!

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 12:37

Death for Catherine

1888 RUTHERFORD CATHERINE F 51 ST MARY DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

No father's name given.....cert witnessed by Jessie Garland (sister)

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 12:56

? Arthur 1901 census

Name: Arthur Rutherford
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfar
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 Muirhead St
Occupation: French Polisher
ED: 51
Household schedule number: 192
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_316
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Rutherford 45
Lizzie Rennie 29
Joseph Gracey Rutherford 9 Mth

Gracey...?Grassie

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 13:04

Birth for Joseph on above census

1901 GRACEY JOSEPH M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/11 0640

parents Arthur Gracey and Elizabeth Rennie

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 13:07

Death for Arthur

1925 GRACEY ARTHUR RUTHERFO M 70 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK

Arthur Rutherford Gracey (French Polisher) married to 1) Ann Docherty 2) Elizabeth Rennie died 30/03/1925.....parents given as Samuel (Horse Dealer) and Margaret Gracey ms Rutherford .....cert witnessed by E Gracey (Widow)

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 13:17

1891 census

Name: Arthur Gracey
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 53 Commercial Rd
Occupation: French Polisher
ED: 46
Household schedule number: 81
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1891_287
Household Members:
Name Age
John Greenfell 26
Catherine Greenfell 23
John Greenfeld 3
Agnes Greenfeld 7 Months
Arthur Gracey 39
Arthur Gracey 6

death for Arthur jnr

1923 GRACEY ARTHUR M 39 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK

Arthur Gracey (French polisher journeyman) Single died 08/12/1923
parents Arthur and Ann Gracey ms Docherty......cert witnessed by Arthur Gracey (father)

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 15:10

William McGregors family appear to be even more confusing

1907 STEWART MARY MCGREGOR ROBERTSON F 60 ST ANDREW (DUNDEE) DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

William's mother Mary McGregor married to 1) James Stewart 2) William Robertson

William has a miriad of siblings

1871 census

Name: Mary Stewart
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Stewart
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 344
Registration district: Dowally
Civil Parish: Dowally
County: Perthshire
Address: Balnacuich
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_62
Household Members:
Name Age
James Stewart 40
Mary Stewart 30
Margaret Stewart 6
John Stewart 4
Clementina Stewart 1

1881 census

Name: Mary Stewart
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 272
Registration district: Arbroath
Civil Parish: Arbroath
County: Angus
Address: 11 St Thomas Street
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 126
Line: 23
Roll: cssct1881_76
Household Members:
Name Age
William Robertson 32
Mary Stewart 36
Margaret Stewart 16
Clemintina Stewart 11
James Stewart 8
Euphemia Stewart 5

1891

Name: Mary Stewart
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relationship: Wid (Widow)
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 389
Registration district: Rattray
Civil Parish: Rattray
County: Perthshire
Address: Balmoral Rd 10 Westfields Terr
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 100
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_120
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Stewart 44
Clemintina Stewart 21
Euphemima Stewart 15
Charlotte Stewart 9
Anna Bell Stewart 7
William Stewart 5
Robert Stewart 2
William James Stewart 4 M.....grandson
Margret Kenndy 26.......daughter
Neil Kenndy 1 M.......grandson
Marget Harrison 17

1901

Name: Mary Robertson
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 7 North Lindsay St
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 96
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_93
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Robertson 52
Charlotte Stewart 19
Annabella Stewart 17
William Stewart 15
Robert Stewart 12
William James Stewart 10.....grandson
Thomas Stewart 4.......grandson
Williamina Mathewson 2......grandaughter
Margaret K Robertson 1mon.......grandaughter
John Cassidy 33
Rose A Stewart 18
Peter David 16

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 16:26

Both Euphemia b 1875 and Charlotte b1881 Rattray are illegitimate and have the surname McGregor or Stewart.

James appears to have died in 1873 so none of the children after this are his but may be William Robertson's

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 16:30

Mary McGregor Stewart Robertsons parents are given on death cert as Peter and Catherine McGregor ms McLeish