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1891 census - household transcription
Person: CORDY, Thomas
Address: Upper Coed Cae, Llanover, Garnddzus
WILLIAMS, John Head Married M 25 1866 Coal Miner
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS, Emma Wife Married F 24 1867
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS, William Son M 5 1886
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS, Arthur Son M 4 1887
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
CORDY, Thomas Boarder Widower M 70 1821 Labourer
Birley Gloucestershire
CORDY, Mary Servant Single F 15 1876 Servant
Blaenavon Monmouthshire

If her maiden name was Harris then the Morgan children were not hers.

Thomas Cordy married Mary Ann Harris


1881 census - household transcription
Person: CORDY, Thomas
Address: ?, Llanover
CORDY, Thomas Head Married M 63 1818 Labourer
Bisley Gloucestershire
CORDY, Mary Ann Wife Married F 49 1832
Llanfoist Monmouthshire
CORDY, Emma Daughter Single F 13 1868 Blaenavon
CORDY, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
CORDY, Mary Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
CORDY, Jesse Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
HARRIS, James Step Son Single M 17 1864 Haulier

1861 census - household transcription
Person: CORDY, Thomas H
Address: Albert Street, Llanover Upper
CRIPPS, James W Head Married M 31 1830 Mason
Chipping Warden Oxfordshire
CRIPPS, Caroline W Wife Married F 26 1835 Masons Wife
Bennetland Herefordshire
CRIPPS, Joseph W Son M 1 1860 Infant
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
WOOD, George Nephew Unmarried M 11 1850 Labourer
Newstead Herefordshire
CORDY, Thomas H Lodger Unmarried M 43 1818 Timekeeper Brisley
Gloucestershire
REAVES, Jeremiah Lodger Unmarried M 16 1845 Boy Puddler
Madcombe Gloucestershire

Glynis,

Continuing from yesterday........to make things clearer and try and get a better picture...........the 2 older sisters births (if you are not sure of Naomis dates) are on free BMD.........why not send for one or both to try and glean more info.

Also if you google Monmouthshire parish records, there are hundreds of Baps Marriages deaths on there...........you may get lucky!

Ann

This entry has father with middle name Till.

Mary Cordy -------
Event(s):
Birth: 1875 , , England

Parents:
Father: Thomas Till Cordy
Mother: Mary Ann

The marriage cert should tell you her father's name ( which would be her maiden name)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Thomas Till Cordy ----------------
Birth:
Christening: 26 JUL 1818 All Saints Church, Bisley, Gloucester, England

Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Ann
Marriage: 10 SEP 1866 Crickhowell, , Monmouth, England

I'm not mad! Because having seen that there was a previous thread and it's been deleted, I won't be going near this one. ;)

And I am sure I'm not the only one.

Tis the season of goodwill Janey! lol

Ann

just come online from aust, and looking for a REPLY to all the research I did yesterday. Gone with the wind.
but hello there is still one thread on records board 1251364 about this same request.

Yesterday I gave these marriages.
source Free bmd uk Wales
Marriages Dec quarter 1879
Morgan Naomi Abergavenny 11a 71
Powell Thomas 11a 71
or
Williams William 11a 71

I have not tried to find any passengers to Aust yet as The marriage name is not confirmed.
I said 'one thing at a time . or we are likely to go down the wrong path.'

Annette

Naomi morgan could not have been sent to australia as a convict - if that is what is implied-

The last convict ship to Australia docked in Fremantle WA in January 1868.

Naomi would have been about 10 years old at that time and all the convicts on that ship were adults.

Annette

Hi Glynnis,

I didn't realise you had deleted the thread with all the information about possibles births, marriages and emigration of Naomi to America rather than Australia that I had found. It would have been far better for you to have kept it and left it going.

Did you keep any record fo what I found? That would have saved people putting the census information etc that I had found for you.

As per your pm I will try to recreate the information that I had found with her husband's anme however I said that this was only based upon one of the three births that I had found.

Until you request the certificate that shows her parents, you may be following a completely incorrect person.

With regards to the Cordy/Morgan relationship, the census that I found shows that Naomi and three siblings were step children of Thomas. It then goes on to show in that census and the later ones that Thomas and Mary had at least 4 more children together. So you could reasonably assume that Naomi's mother had married previously and perhaps had been widowed or had seperated from her husband by the 1871 census.

Anyway I'll see what I can recreate for you but pelase can you keep this thread going rather than delete, if you are not going to get the birth certificates first?

Thanks

might this be Mary Ann Harris in 1851?

1851 Wales Census
about Mary Ann Harris
Name: Mary Ann Harris
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>Where born: Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llanover
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Blaenavon
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
John Griffith Williams 41
Mary Williams 38
Hannah Maria Williams 16
Richard Williams 13
Mary Ann Williams 11
Catherin Williams 8
John G Williams 6
William G Williams 4
Ellard Madlyn Williams 1
Catherine Williams 20
Mary Williams 14
Ann Elizabeth Budding 18
Eliza Williams 27
>>>>>>>Mary Ann Harris 17



Marriages Sep 1866
CORDY Thomas Crickhowell 11b 182
HARRIS Mary A Crickhowell 11b 182

thank you so much for all the help you have given me, and im sorry to those who got mad because i deleted the thread, i was not sure what to do, anyway, please could some one advise me which is the best cert to get for naomi, should i request her birth cert or can i get her marriage cert even if i dont know who she married please help

Morning Glynis,

If you are sure of the birth for Naomi I would go for that as it will confirm her mothers maiden name and name her father also.

i checked last night re the 1861, and there are issues with returns for Monmouthshire..........meaning there are pieces missing........perhaps this explains why we are unable to find the family. Let us know the results of the cert when you get it.

Ann

hi ann okay and thanks im going to order her cert will let you know when i get it x

Births of the two elder girls( Naomi's sisters):-

Births Mar 1856
MORGAN Sarah Jane Abergavenny 11a 52

Births Mar 1856
MORGAN Margaret Abergavenny 11a 52

thank you so much

If I remember rightly Mary Ann was born in Llanfoist. If she was still living in llanfoist in 1861 there is a possibilty you will not find her on the census as half of Llanfoist census (the half that includes a lot of my family!) is completely missing.

I could not find a baptism for Naomi in llanwenarth on the monfamilies site, or in Blaenavon or llanover. Llanfoist baptisms are only on line up to 1812.

we had several conversations yesterday about mary ann's maiden name. As other people have pointed out today if she was born Harris and married Thomas Cordy as a Harris then the Morgan children ARE NOT hers.

You have not told us why you are convinced that Mary Ann was born Mary Ann Harris other than hearsay.

which Naomi did you send for?

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Morgan Naomi Crickhowell 11b 122 Scan available - click to view
Morgan Naomi Abergavenny 11a 61 Scan available - click to view

Llanwenarth is Abergavenny - Mary Ann & Thomas' marriage was Crickhowell

I think we advised yesterday that the best certificate to apply for would be your (gt?) grandmother Emma Cordy which would prove her mother's previous names