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Maybe Mary Ann just lived with unknown Morgan after 1851 and to about 1865/6 when she married Mr Cordy?

the Mary Ann in Ladykira's 1851 census

baptism 14 April 1841 d of Rachel Morgan singlewoman at Llanwenarth

ann, i found out quite a few years ago that mary ann was def born harris, and apparently she did marry a morgan, so the children must be hers, the birth cert i sent for was the 1858 abergavenny, oh gosh ann im confused, maybe i should send for emmas birth cert, but i know who emmas children were, and i know who emma married, my nan was emmas daughter,

The important thing about Emma's certificate is her parents' names. If you are right it should say Cordy formerly Harris previously Morgan (formerly = maiden name, previously =previous married name)

I wish I could find some baptisms or marriages for you on the monfamilies site but have drawn a blank in all the villages i can think of around Llanwenarth

hi, i now have the birth cert for naomi, she was born on the ninth july 1858, she was born in blaenavon llanover upper, her father was shadrach morgan, her mother was mary ann morgan formerly hughesbher father was a labourer in an iron work, hope you can now find out who she married for me many thanks

parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Hughes Mary Ann Abergavenny 11a 91
Morgan Shadrach Abergavenny 11a 91

This is the Naomi born Blaenavon but born 1860 and different parents.

1861 census - household transcription
Person: MORGAN, Naomi
Address: Hill Street, Llanover Upper
MORGAN, Charles Head Married M 23 1838 Iron Miner
Blackburn Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Margrett Wife Married F 21 1840 Iron Miners Wife
Blaenavon Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Naomi Daughter Unmarried F 0 (11M) 1861
Blaenavon Monmouthshire

And this is the only Shadrak there in 1861

1861 census - household transcription
Person: MORGAN, Shadrack
Address: Broad Street, Llanover Upper, Blaenavon
MORGAN, Shadrack Head Married M 29 1832 Coalminer
Monmouth Blaenavon VIEW
MORGAN, Margaret Wife Married F 30 1831 Milliner
Monmouth Trevethin

1871 census - household transcription
Person: MORGAN, Shadrack
Address: North Street, Upper Llanover, Blaenavon
MORGAN, Morgan Head M 34 1837 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Ann Wife F 28 1843 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Shadrack Son M 12 1859 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Mary Daughter F 9 1862 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Llewellyn Son M 6 1865 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Hannah Daughter F 4 1867 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, Harriet Daughter F 0 1871 Monmouthshire
MORGAN, John Son M 0 1871 Monmouthshire

To quote LancashireAnn

which Naomi did you send for?

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Morgan Naomi Crickhowell 11b 122 Scan available - click to view
Morgan Naomi Abergavenny 11a 61 Scan available - click to view

Llanwenarth is Abergavenny - Mary Ann & Thomas' marriage was Crickhowell


You have a certificat for a Naomi but not necessarily the right one.

Especially as Shadrak does not appear to have a daughter Naomi living in 61 or 71,

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Deaths Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Morgan Naomi Crickhowell 11b 89

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Deaths Mar 1859 (92%)
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Morgan Naomi Ab__gav_nny 11A 46

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No ages though

hi, i dont think some how it is the right birth cert, my great gran was emma cordy born in 1868, her father was thomas cordy and her mother mary ann, i think they have it down as cardy, emma married a john williams, in the cencus some one found thomas and mary cordy, there were about 4 step children who were morgan, then emma cordy and elizabeth cordy, i dont know what to do now, the one i recived today was born in blaenavon llanover upper on july 9th and the father was shadrach morgan, what do i do now, should i order another cert for some one different

I would order the certificate for your gt grandmother Emma Cordy. That will give you a definite name for Mary Ann. As I said above

The important thing about Emma's certificate is her parents' names. If you are right it should say Cordy formerly Harris previously Morgan (formerly = maiden name, previously =previous married name)

thanks i will order it tomorow many thanks to you all will let you know when i have emmas birth cert x

A Naomi Morgan/Webb died 1942 in West Virginia, USA? DOB would agree with the Naomi on the 1861 Wales Census - parents Charles Morgan and "Margaret". Mother's name on West Virginia records is correct, i.e. Mary Ann Harris.

Name: Naomi Morgan Or Webb
Death Date: 18 Mar 1942
Death Place: Wheeling, Ohio, West Virginia
Gender: Female
Age: 81 years 11 months 1 day
Estimated Birth Year: 17 Apr 1860
Birth Place: Wales
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: Jerimiah Webb
Father's Name: Charles Morgan
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Harris
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Occupation: Housewife
Street Address: 94-26th Street
Residence: Wellsburg, Brooke, W. Va.
Cemetery: Brooke
Burial Place: Wellsburg, W. Va.
Burial Date: 22 Mar 1942
Film Number: 857620
Digital Folder Number: 4229915
Image Number: 1186
Source: County Records
Reference Number: Series #327

hi trish, do you think this is the right one then, i belive the mother was called mary ann harris, her maiden name, do you know if mary ann harris had half siblings, and do you know if naomi had children that would be some thing for me to look for on family trees thank you so much

Naomi Morgan and Jeremiah Isaac Webb married 23/4/1877 Abergavenny (June Qtr 1877 Abergavenny, Vol 11a/p99) according to a Family Tree on Ancestry and subsequently had 7 children. First child Mary Ann Webb born 12/4/1879 Blaenavon. 2nd child Charles James Webb born 14 Sep 1881, Pennsylvania, USA You can check the US immigration records for free on the Ellis Island website.

Jeremiah Webb/Naomi Morgan Update - they arrived back in Liverpool on 20/7/1907 on "Campania". Returned to NY on "Carmania", ETA NY 24/9/1907

hi trish thank you so so much, am i able to search them on genes trees or dont they cover maerica if they dont how can i search them im realy not good at this at all, and do you know if naomi had brothers and sisters thank you so so much

Trish-see also:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/webb/thread/1251371

Maureen