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19 Jan 2011 20:48 |
I am trying to find the birth parents of William Tarbuck of Wigan, b. 1836. In the 1841 census he is living with his Grandparents George and Ellen Tarbuck and in the 1851 cencus he is living with his uncle James. I have searched loads of baptism records but cannot find a trace of him. Can anyone please help. thanks,
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Lynski
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19 Jan 2011 20:58 |
Do you have his marriage certificate - this would give a father's name?
The other alternative is that he is the son of Alice in the 1841 census?
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MargaretM
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19 Jan 2011 21:04 |
The 1841 census also has an Alice, 25, George, 24 and James, 20. Either Alice or George could be the parent. Or both of them, they could be married.
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Katie
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19 Jan 2011 21:26 |
It is even just about possible that George and Ellen could be his parents. No relationships are given on the 1841 census. It is possible that Alice is a daughter in law, I have found baptisms for 1 daughter and 3 sons of George and Ellen but no Alice. Katie
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MargaretM
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19 Jan 2011 21:36 |
On the 1861 census he's married to Catherine. This looks like the marriage:
Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tarbuck William Wigan 8c 96 Tinsley Catherine Wigan 8c 96
Marriage certificate would give father's name if he knew it.
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AnnCardiff
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19 Jan 2011 21:48 |
1881
William TARBUCK Head M Male 43 Wigan, Lancashire, England Licensed Victualler Ann TARBUCK Wife M Female 40 Wigan, Lancashire, England Henry TARBUCK Son U Male 21 Wigan, Lancashire, England Boiler Maker Mary Theresa TARBUCK Daur U Female 19 Wigan, Lancashire, England Bar Maid Jane TARBUCK Daur Female 17 Wigan, Lancashire, England Dressmaker Lilly C. TARBUCK Daur Female 4 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Scholar Emily CHADWICK (TARBUCK) Step Daur Female 13 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Scholar Elizabeth LEAY Servant U Female 22 Wigan, Lancashire, England General Domestic Servant
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 203 Billinge Rd (Railway Inn) Census Place Pemberton, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341904 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3780 / 13 Page Number 20
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AnnCardiff
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19 Jan 2011 21:51 |
George Tarbuck England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 residence: Wigan, Lancashire, England parents: George Tarbuck, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: George Tarbuck gender: Male baptism/christening date: 20 May 1868 baptism/christening place: St. Catherine's, Wigan, Lancashire, England father's name: George Tarbuck mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C02175-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number:
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AnnCardiff
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19 Jan 2011 21:51 |
George Tarbuck England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 14 Jul 1815 — Bottling Wood, Wigan residence: Wigan, Lancashire, England parents: George Tarbuck, Ellen Tarbuck record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: George Tarbuck gender: Male baptism/christening date: 20 May 1868 baptism/christening place: Wigan, Lancashire, England birth date: 14 Jul 1815 birthplace: Bottling Wood, Wigan father's name: George Tarbuck mother's name: Ellen Tarbuck indexing project (batch) number: C00955-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number:
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mgnv
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19 Jan 2011 22:08 |
For ref, here's the 2censuses:
1841 England Census Civil Parish: Wigan Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Bottling Wood Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Wigan George Tarbuck 50 Lancashire, England Nail Maker Ellen Tarbuck 50 Lancashire, England Alice Tarbuck 25 Lancashire, England Dress Maker George Tarbuck 24 Lancashire, England Nail Maker James Tarbuck 20 Lancashire, England Nail Maker William Tarbuck 5 Lancashire, England Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 523; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Wigan; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: ; Page: 2; Line: 13; GSU roll: 306909.
1851 England Census Civil Parish: Pemberton Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Saint Andrews Terrace Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Hindley ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Household schedule number: 77
James Farbuck 29 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Nail Manufacturer Employing 6 Men Susanna Farbuck 24 Huntingdonshire, England Wife M Sarah Ann Farbuck 1 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter John T Farbuck 2MO Pemberton, Lancashire, England Son William Farbuck 14 Wigan, Lancashire, England Nephew U Nail Maker Margaret Halliway 8 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Servant U Servant Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2200; Folio: 398; Page: 22; GSU roll: 87210.
[Image says Tarbuck - correction subm'd to Ancestry]
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference TARBUCK James BROUGHTON Susan Warrington, St Elphin Warrington C25/3/186 Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference TARBUCK Sarah Ann Wigan Wigan & Leigh BROUGHTON WIG/26/189 Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference TARBUCK John Thomas Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PEM/9/108
[Mum's MS not retro-fitted for Pemberton yet]
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mgnv
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19 Jan 2011 22:29 |
There are no likely deaths of Tarbucks on LancsBMD, except possibly in St Helens where no ages are given. [EDIT - thru 1851
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1851 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference TARBUCK John Thomas 0 Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PEM/6/257
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MargaretM
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19 Jan 2011 22:51 |
I think William was married twice. Mary Theresa who is is the daughter of William & Ann on the 81 census is the daughter of William & Catherine here:
TARBUCK, Mary Theresa Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 Jan 1862 Recorded in: Hindley, Lancashire, England Father: William TARBUCK Mother: Catherine Source: FHL Film 1469058 Dates: 1862 - 1862
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MargaretM
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19 Jan 2011 22:54 |
But Jane is the daughter of William & Ann:
TARBUCK, Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 21 Nov 1863 Christening Date: 20 May 1877 Recorded in: Wigan, Lancashire, England Collection: St Catherine Father: William TARBUCK Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1469056 Dates: 1876 - 1893
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MargaretM
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19 Jan 2011 23:02 |
This Lillie is baptised same day as Jane???
TARBUCK, Lillie Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 13 Apr 1877 Christening Date: 20 May 1877 Recorded in: Wigan, Lancashire, England Collection: St Catherine Father: William TARBUCK Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1469056 Dates: 1876 - 1893
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Julie
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19 Jan 2011 23:18 |
Hi Madbull. I dont think any of them are his parents as they are all still living in later census' but William is living with his Uncle James in 1851.
I will send for marriage cert as suggested.
thanks All. Julie
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Lynski
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19 Jan 2011 23:42 |
He could be living with his uncle in 1851 because of his job which means that his parents would/could still be alive?
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MargaretM
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20 Jan 2011 03:20 |
I didn't say they were his parents, Julie. I thought William himself could have been married twice, to Catherine and to Ann. Of course she could have been Catherine Ann.
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mgnv
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20 Jan 2011 05:42 |
Marriage: 25 Mar 1874 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England William Tarbuck - 36 Boiler Maker Widower of Newtown, Pemberton Ann Chadwick - 33 Widow of Newtown, Pemberton Groom's Father: Robert Tarbuck, Farmer (dead) Bride's Father: William Winnard, Provision dealer (deceased) Witness: John Samuel Carr; Catherine Bibby Married by Licence by: W.J.Sparrow, Curate Register: Marriages 1870 - 1878, Page 130, Entry 259 Source: LDS Film 1885637
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mgnv
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20 Jan 2011 07:16 |
Using the local indices at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd Especially http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ and also using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference TARBUCK William TINSLEY Catherine Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/10/136
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1859 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference TARBUCK Ellen Wigan Wigan & Leigh TINSLEY WIG/55/217Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference TARBUCK Henry Wigan Wigan & Leigh TINSLEY WIG/62/64
Births Mar 1861 (>99%) TARBUCK Henry Wigan 8c 38
There's a whole mess of Tarbucks in this 1861 ED
1861 England Census Civil Parish: Wigan Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Wigan County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Wigan ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Street address: 33 Bottling Wood Household schedule number: 118
James Tarbuck 40 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Nail Maker Susan Tarbuck 34 Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England Wife M Sarah A Tarbuck 12 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter U Scholar Jane Tarbuck 4 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2773; Folio: 94; Page: 26; GSU roll: 543027.
Street address: 42 Bottling Wood Household schedule number: 126
William Tarbuck 42 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Master Bolt Maker & Manuf Mary Tarbuck 45 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife M Thomas Tarbuck 16 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son U Iron Turner? & Fitter App Ellen S Tarbuck 14 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter James P Tarbuck 13 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son App Moulder
Street address: 44 Bottling Wood Household schedule number: 128
William Tarbuck 25 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Boiler Maker & Iron Ship Builder Catherine Tarbuck 26 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife M Ellen Tarbuck 2 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Henry Tarbuck 2MO Wigan, Lancashire, England Son
Street address: 32 Douglas House ? Household schedule number: 129
George Tarbuck 45 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Bolt & Nail Manufacturer Elizabeth Tarbuck 39 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife George J Tarbuck 11 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Scholar Ellen Tarbuck 10 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Frances Tarbuck 6 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Jane Tarbuck 4 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Hannah Knowles 16 Billinge, Lancashire, England Governeress U Governeress Cecily Dawson 13 Burscough, Lancashire, England Servant U House Servant Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2773; Folio: 95; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543027.
Street address: 28 Bottling Wood Household schedule number: 133
Mary Tarbuck 36 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Head M Formerly Laundress Denis Tarbuck 18 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son U Boiler Maker Ellis Tarbuck 15 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son U Boiler Maker Margaret Tarbuck 13 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2773; Folio: 96; Page: 29; GSU roll: 543027.
[Bottling Wood lies between Haigh Plantation and Whelley Rd, abt 1km E of the Infirmary. ED 14 includes Bottling Wood S of R Douglas]
1871 England Census Civil Parish: Pemberton Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton Town: Newtown County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Lipfield Houses [prob nr Ormskirk Rd] Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Pemberton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 237
William Tarbuck 34 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Boiler Maker Catherine Tarbuck 36 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife M Provision Dealer Ellen Tarbuck 12 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Henry Tarbuck 10 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Scholar Mary T Tarbuck 8 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Janey Tarbuck 6 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar Annie Tarbuck 2 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Mary Burgess 18 Wigan, Lancashire, England Servant General Servant Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3895; Folio: 26; Page: 45; GSU roll: 842041. Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3895; Folio: 26; Page: 46; GSU roll: 842041.
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20 Jan 2011 07:17 |
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) TARBUCK Catherine 39 Wigan 8c 88
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1874 [q1] Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference TARBUCK William CHADWICK Ann St. John,Pemberton Wigan & Leigh C22/3/259
Here's Uncle James & Aunt Susan - who the other folk are is open. http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion Beacon Eileen Patricia 12 Mths Swinley Lane 06-Jun 1923 .. B 178 Non Con Lambert Sarah Ann 52 12 Freckleton St 12-Dec 1902 B 178 Non Con Stuart Annie 3 Mths Douglas H'ses Bott'Wood. 24-Nov 1880 B 178 Non Con Stuart Eleanor 7 Yrs Douglas H'se Bott'Wood. 21-Dec 1880 B 178 Non Con Stuart Agnes 45 Yrs Coppull Lane 08-Apr 1924 B 178 Non Con Tarbuck Susan 41 Yrs Tarbuck Cot.Bottling Wood. 2-Jan 1868 B 178 Non Con Tarbuck Thomas 29 Yrs 28 Bottling Wood 4-Dec 1871 B 178 Non Con Tarbuck James 74 yrs none given >>> 30-Dec 1895 Southport B 178 Non con Taylor Emma no age 50 Bottling Wood 2-Dec 1871 married - ( 52 on BMD) B 178 Non Con
This looks like Wm's wife - was Alice his mum?
Tarbuck John Joseph 2¼ Yrs Ormskirk Rd. Pemberton 31-Oct 1869 A 155 R C Tarbuck William 2 yrs Newtown, Pemberton 21-Sep 1873 A 155 R C Tarbuck Catherine 39 yrs Newtown , Pemberton 17-Jan 1874 A 155 R C Tarbuck Alice 63 Yrs 1 Platt Lane 28-Dec 1883 A 155 R C Woodhall Leonard 9 yrs Wigan Infirmary 21-Jun 1939 [ 149, Bech Hill Lane ] A 155 R C Woodhall Cecilia Mary 78 yrs Convent, Orchard Ln.Leigh 20-May 1974 [ 37, Logwood Place ] A 155 R C
Burial: 28 Mar 1895 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England George Tarbuck - Age: 79 years Abode: Birkdale Buried by: H W M Gunning Curate Register: Burials 1888 - 1904, Page 77, Entry 612 Source: LDS Film 1885705
Marriage: 7 Jun 1810 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England George Tarbuck - of Liverpool Ellen Bolton - of this town [Wigan] Witness: Wm. Bancks; Thos. Taylor Married by Licence by: Thomas Pigot Curate Register: Marriages 1803 - 1812, Page 291, Entry 1206 Source: LDS Film 1885690
Marriage: 23 Oct 1889 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England James Fitzmaurice - 28 Carpenter Bachelor of 182 Chester Road, Tranmere Mary Theresa Tarbuck - 26 Spinster of 20 Mitchell St, Pemberton Groom's Father: James Fitzmaurice, Store keeper Bride's Father: William Tarbuck, Boiler maker Witness: William ?; Emily Chadwick? Married by Banns by: J. Llewellyn, Curate Register: Marriages 1885 - 1890, Page 227, Entry 454 Source: LDS Film 1885638
Marriage: 5 Oct 1891 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England John Woodhall - 25 Grocer Bachelor of 264 Ince Green Lane, Ince Jane Tarbuck - 26 Dress Maker Spinster of 231 Ormskirk Road, Pemberton Groom's Father: Ralph Woodhall, Engineer Bride's Father: William Tarbuck, Boiler Maker Witness: Edwin Parsons; Annie Tarbuck Married by Banns by: J. Llewellyn Register: Marriages 1890 - 1895, Page 81, Entry 162 Source: LDS Film 1885638
Marriage: 2 Oct 1881 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England Henry Tarbuck - 22 Boiler Maker Bachelor of Highfield, Pemberton Frances Darbyshire - 19 Weaver Spinster of Newtown, Pemberton Groom's Father: William Tarbuck, Innkeeper Bride's Father: James Darbyshire, Overlooker in Cotton Mill Witness: John Derbyshire; Mary Derbyshire, (X) Married by Banns by: Harry Mitchell, Vicar Register: Marriages 1878 - 1885, Page 113, Entry 225 Source: LDSFilm 1885637
Births Jun 1877 (>99%) Tarbuck Lily Chisnall Wigan 8c 135
Marriage: 16 Jun 1867 St George, Wigan, Lancashire, England Robert Chadwick - (X), Full Butcher Bachelor of Darlington St Ann Winnard - Full Domestic Servant Spinster of Wigan Lane Groom's Father: Robert Chadwick, Butcher Bride's Father: William Winnard, deceased, Provision Dealer Witness: Henry Parnell; Jane Millington, (X) Married by Certificate by: Thomas Higham, St Catherine's, Wigan Register: Marriages 1867 - 1873, Page 8, Entry 16 Source: LDS Film 1885726
1871 England Census Civil Parish: Pemberton Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton Town: Newtown County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Bowling Green Inn [Ormskirk Rd?] Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Pemberton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 7
Robert Chadwick 33 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head M Publican Ann Chadwick 30 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife M Emily Chadwick 2 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Daughter Mary Griffiths 19 Ince, Lancashire, England Servant U General Servt Domestic Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3894; Folio: 102; Page: 2; GSU roll: 842041.
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Julie
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20 Jan 2011 15:06 |
Firstly, apologies to all for lack of communication. Having router/wifi probs at home. I am at work at the moment and dont have a lot of time to go onto site.
Secondly, thank you all for the information. There is a lot to take in so I will print it all off and have a good read through. The more I look through the data it would appear that Alice may be his mum. Once I have read through all the above I will try and send for birth cert.
Thanks once again. I may come back for help once problem sorted at home. Julie
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