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Sorry had to get OH off to the dentist!!

Right we have now established that Eunice and Frances Noyes were the daughters of William Noyes and Rachel Davis.

It seems they also had two brothers James and William who you will see on the above posting where their mum Rachel is remarried to Charles Brooks a carver and gilder.

William Noyes 1851 b Shoreditch Middx
James Noyes 1853 b Shoreditch Middx

So the family must have been in London Middx in these years as the two girls Eunice and Frances were born in Oxfordshire.

Eunice married in 1865 so she will be with her husband John Jenkins on the 1871 and I think Frances was with her aunt Hepzibah on the 1871. we can't find Frances with her husband James William Jenkins at all but you found a death of a Frances Noyes in 1874 which is about a year after the marriage. I then found a death of a baby James William Jenkins in Islington of no age and wondered if Frances could have died in childbirth?

Thats as far as I have got!! and I have to go shopping this afternoon..............Bah!

14.06pm

If Rachel married in 1856 to Charles Brooks then William must have died before then but I want to know where the Reeves comes into it. Was William Noyes Brooks born 1850 the son of William or a man called Reeves? I found a birth of a William Reeves Noyes.

Ann mentioned seeing the children with Rachel under the name of Reeves???? I can't find a Rachel under the name of Reeves or Eunice or Frances so who were the children under the name of Reeves??

Oh it gets more muddled here!!!!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Reeves Noyes Name: Elizabeth Reeves Noyes
Spouse Name: Charles Henry Harman PUBLICAN*******
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 20 Jul 1869
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Noyes Deceased********
Spouse Father Name: Charles Harman Deceased********

Witnesses William Noyes and Frances Noyes********************

Ginny I can't find the marriage of William to Amelia on Ancestry London Marriages. where did you find it please?

OH!!!! Clever girl

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Davis Noyes Name: James Davis Noyes
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 23rd Dec 1853
Baptism Date: 29 Jan 1865
Father's Name: William Noyes
Mother's Name: Rachel Noyes
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Saviour and the Cross
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Now I have to go.

BBL Mel

15.18pm

Thank you all very much you all have done such a lot of searches for the family, you asked for a summary.

William NOISE alias NOYS bap 19Th March 1818
Rachel Davies born 2.7.1820 Bampton Oxfordshire

William Noyes & Rachel Davis married 6 Sep 1841 by Banns St. Peter Le Bailey They had six children

Lois Rachael bn 28 Jan 1843 Oxford.
Elizabeth Reeves Bap 29 Sep 1844 Oxford.
Eliza Eunice Davis born 1 Mar 1847 Oxford.
Frances bap 18 Nov 1849 Oxford.
William Reeves born 22 Jun 1851 at 101 Kingland Rd Shoreditch Middlesex
James 14 Jan 1853 at 181 Kingsland Road Shoreditch

The family moved to London between March 23, 1850 when he gave up the Crown Inn at St, St Martin’s Oxford & 12 August 1850 William Reeves Noyes took over The Bell and Crown, Kingsland Road, Shoreditch Middlesex
William senior [ the father] died, 9 Nov 1852. Rachael Davis,Noyes married 25th Feb 1856. to Charles Brooks.

1851 Census England Middlesex Shoreditch St Leonard HO107/1534/60/37 Kingsland Road " Bell and Crown "

REEVES ** This is my Man found newspaper reports on him & the pub
Reeves William Head Marr 33 Victualler Oxfordshire
Reeves Rachal Wife Marr 31 Wife Oxfordshire
Reeves Elizabeth Dau Unmarr 6 Oxfordshire
Reeves Mary A Dau Unmarr 4 Oxfordshire [ pos Eunice Davis ]

There were 9 people lodging with them,
Transfer of licensees 9 Jan 1854 Bell and Crown Kingsland Road From Racheal Noyes to Charles Henry Burtwell

Mel you said “could have done with the info about their mother before“ I didn’t know that you were going to look for info on the children, it was only when Ginny asked about the girls posted some info, sorry.

Mel said “did the two sisters married two brothers” at first I thought that but when the marriages were found the groom father & trade were different

30 Jul 1873 Frances Noyes = James William Jenkins F/A Gentleman father John Henry Jenkins master Mariner
04 Dec 1865 Eunice Noyes = John Henry Jenkins Wid 45 Rigger, father William John Jenkins cabinet maker.

Thank you for the info on 1891 England Census John Jenkins WIDOWER, and for , Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 James Davis Noyes

1851 England Census Elizabeth Noyes Elizabeth Noyes Age 16 with William & Elizabeth Noyes was a cousin, child of Williams brother John

I tried to look up James William Jenkins in the 19 century newspapers there were about 100 hits for that name, but there is a problem with the site, it gives a list on left hand side but not image in the body, like it usually does, so I cant find any thing about him at the moment,
I found on the “Old Bailey” site there is John Jenkins & James Jenkins, I will have to look into it !

Thank again for all the info you have found, I will write more when I have had time to take it all in.

Ann

1841 England Census
about William Noyes Name: William Noyes
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Martin
Hundred: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Cornmarket Lane

Occupation: M/S (Male Servant)
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841.

So married after the census was taken

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William Noyes Name: William Noyes
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Oxford
County: Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 16
Page: 157

Thank you Mel for the info
So this is what I have on the NOYES

Lois Rachael = 28 Dec 1875 Charles Alfred George Salmon Wid .transcript of m & BD Census [please can some look for the witnesses]

Elizabeth Reeves = 20 Jul 1869 Charles Henry Harman Publican F.A. image m & census

Eliza Eunice D = 4 Dec 1865 John Henry Jenkins Widower,45 Rigger. image BD*

Frances 30 Jul 1873 James William Jenkins Gentleman!. Image M no other info +

William Reeves = 7 Sep 1872 Amelia Yeates. Image m BD census
.James 17 Oct 1872 Ann Yeates Image m BMD.

Ann Brooks birth Sep 1857 Hackney & 1871,1871 census nothing more found

only other Eunice marriage to John Jenkins was in Taunton Dec 1874
Re the Baptism of children to *Eliza Eunice* & John Henry Jenkins that Mel found
She was * Eliza Eunice* Davis Noyes , but the ages of John Henry are not right ?
The 1891 census for “John Jenkins 40 LABOURER IN FOUNDRY WIDOWER”& family are the same as the 1881 census I found
And the “ Deaths Dec 1889 Jenkins Eunice 42 White chapel “ would fit in !

+James William Jenkins Gentleman!. I found this , I don’t know if it is him no age is given , but it would explain why he couldn’t be found in the 1881 census,
From “Manchester Times (Manchester, England), Friday, August 15, 1890”
Jenkins.- On the 1st August at Brooklyn, America, formerly of London, William James Jenkins, of Pulmonary consumption.
Ann

Mel & Ginny,
I thought you may like to know
I have found the marriage of Ann Brooks she married her half sisters step-son, Augustus Salmon 2 Jan 1876 Walthamstow.

Also Eunice [Noyes] Jenkins was widowed & married her stepson John, that now fits with the baptism of the children, & the 1881 census I had, so her sister married her brother-in-law [two brother married two sisters]
Ann

Thank you Ginny, for all the info, I take it Florrie was d of John? please can you tell me the address?

I found Ann Brooks marriage on, new Pilot search ,enhanced search,
Nothing there for John & Eliza, I did look before to see if he had remarried , but there were too many, on Free BMD?

And in Free BMD, Births Mar 1895 Jenkins Florrie Islington 1b 196 ?
Ann

Please can some one look up a London marriage in 1904 of Arthur Henry NOYES [his father was James Davis NOYES ] and Elizabeth Louisa DAVIS.
Thank you.
Ann

please

Hi Ann Have had a quick look and can't find this marriage on London Marriages.

Found it!!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Elizabeth Louisa Davis
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Arthur Henry Noyes WAREHOUSEMAN******
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1905
Parish: St Simon Zelotes, Bethnal Green
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father Name: James Davis Noyes Plasterer
Brides Father Name George Davis Bank Clerk

Her Address 102, Mare St Hackney
His Address 24, Nurpette? St

Witnesses were George James Davis and Emily Mary Davis.

Thank you very much Mel, you are a star, you go to the top of the class.
Ann

Ann I am in such a muddle with this family as I bet you are too!!

I have looked for a Florrie/ Florry/ Florence Jenkins and can only come up with this.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Florence Jenkins Name: Florence Jenkins
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 16 May 1894*****************
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1896
Father's Name: John Henry Jenkins **********Stevedore
Mother's Name: Agnes Jenkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark All Hallows
Borough: Southwark


And also o the same day to the same parents.

Robert Jenkins born 6 July 1890.

Address of parents 61 Blackthorn St.

Ginny especially on this one!! Eh!

You asked for witnesses on marriage of:

Lois Rachael = 28 Dec 1875 Charles Alfred George Salmon Wid .transcript of m & BD Census [please can some look for the witnesses]

They were Emma Kimber? and A South.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Rachel Lois Noyes Name: Rachel Lois Noyes
Spouse Name: Charles Alfred George Salmon
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Dec 1875
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Noyes DECEASED
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Salmon DECEASED

Both full age and he a widow and their address is just Bethnal Green.