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Oh and he is a Cabinet Maker.

Hi Mel ,
Thank you for the info on witness & the Jenkins, I am not sure about it, but I will keep it in mind, maybe Florrie/ Florry/ Florence Jenkins went to Australia? her brother James Noyes went out there after 1911 you found his death, I have looked for them find anything, I did look tot see if either of them died & they remarried, but just got confused, so I gave up & went to bed.
This family is doing my head in what cousins marrying cousins & half sisters marrying step - sons, widows marrying step sons, two brothers marrying two sisters & so on & so on.
Ann

Thank you very much Ginny,
I will have a good look & get back to you.
Ann

Hi Ginny,
I got mixed with the Frances ,Florrie Jenkins!
From 6 entry down “ maybe Florrie/ Florry/ Florence Jenkins went to Australia? her brother James Noyes went out there after 1911 you found his death,” It was this Frances Noyes & James William Jenkins the ”Gentleman“. I was writing about.
Thank you for all your work in finding the info on Florry with Grandparents & Harry her father, I am not sure about Harry.

This family gets more complicated by the day, I found another cousin married a cousin last night, that makes It about 9 that have intermarried, that I know of!
Thank you all again for your help, I don’t know where I would be with out you.
Ann
P.S I might have to get back to you, if that is ok?

Thank you very much Ginny.
Ann

Hi Please can anyone help.
I am looking for Eunice Eliza Jenkins [b 1870 Hackney] she is with her parents John & Eunice, Eunice age 10 in the 1881 census, I cant find her in the 1891 census under Eunice but there are two possible Eliza’s

Jackson Eliza 1872 Poplar
Jackson Eliza 1869 Mile End New Town

Same with her marriage no Eunice found so she was possibly using Eliza
I have found Marriage in Ancestry “Eliza Jenkins Spouse: Richard Bone Father: John Jenkins Birth: year Marriage: “ Free BMD Sep 1892
please could someone look it up & the witnesses,.
Thank you,
Ann

I'm hopelessly behind on this one and won't even try to catch up ,but for the 2 1891 look ups-did you want Jackson or Jenkins????

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Richard Bone
Name: Richard Bone Occ: Laborer
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Eliza Jenkins both of 25 Wilson Street
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Jul 1892
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Bone Occ: Furnace man ???
Spouse Father Name: John Jenkins can't read the occupation

Witnesses were: Charles Ernest Brind and Elizabeth Ditheridge (close enough ! ) Elizabeth seems to be Richard Bones' sister.
1901 census transcription details for: 794, Old Ford Road, Bow Or Stratford-Le-Bow
RG number: RG13 Piece: 339 Folio: 116 Page: 8


Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bow
Parish: Bow or Stratford-Le-Bow Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 794, Old Ford Road, Bow Or Stratford-Le-Bow
County: London
>>>>BRIND, Charles E Head Married M 27 1874 Lighterman
Stratford
Essex
BRIND, Rachel A Wife Married F 27 1874
Bromley
Middlesex
BRIND, Amelia F Daughter F 2 1899
Bow
Middlesex
BRIND, John B Son M 1 1900
Bow
Middlesex
BONE, Richard A Boarder Widower M 57 1844 Labourer In Iron Foundry
Bow
Middlesex
BONE, William H Boarder Single M 19 1882 General Labourer
Bromley
Middlesex
BONE, Clara L Boarder F 13 1888 Scholar
Bromley
Middlesex


1901 census transcription details for: 790, Old Ford Road, Bow Or Stratford-Le-Bow

RG number: RG13 Piece: 339 Folio: 116 Page: 8


Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bow
Parish: Bow or Stratford-Le-Bow Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 790, Old Ford Road, Bow Or Stratford-Le-Bow
County: London
DETHERIDGE, William Head Married M 33 1868 Iron Furnace Man Blast Furnace
Lambeth
Surrey
>>>>DETHERIDGE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1871
Bromley
Middlesex
DETHERIDGE, William Son M 6 1895 Scholar
Bromley
Middlesex
DETHERIDGE, Earnest Son M 3 1898
Bow
Middlesex
DETHERIDGE, James Son M 1 1900
Bow
Middlesex
DETHERIDGE, James Father Widower M 70 1831 Labourer At Bone Works
York
Yorkshire
DETHERIDGE, James Brother Single M 41 1860 Labourer At Bone Works
Lambeth
Surrey
DETHERIDGE, Albert Brother Single M 19 1882 Labourer At Bone Works
Bow
Middlesex

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Lucy Bone
Name: Elizabeth Lucy Bone
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: William Dethridge
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1889
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Bone
Spouse Father Name: James Dethridge

Maureen
Edit :
I guess Mr Brind was a bro-in-law??
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Amelia Bone
Name: Amelia Bone ( I think she was born as Rachel Amelia ??)
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: Charles Brind
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1895
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Bone
Spouse Father Name: John Brind

Thank you very, very much MaureeninNY,

Yes it was 1891 “JENKINS, Eliza 1870 21 F Mile End Old Town London” I was looking for, it was well past my bed time,
by 1901 both parents had died & most of her younger siblings were living together at 5 Wellington Street, Poplar, Bromley, RG13; Piece: 346; Folio: 17; Page: 26. I don’t know where Eliza was.

“John Jenkins can't read the occupation “ In 1891 census Poplar, Bromley John Jenkins 40 was a labourer in foundry, so ties with Richard trade & probably working with him.
Thank you again for all your help.
Ann

I hope I've helped !! I seem to be on one of those "can't find my nose for the allergies " larks.

Anyway :

1891 census transcription details for: 59, St Peters Road, Mile End Old Town

RG number: RG12 Piece: 305 Folio: 85 Page: 15


Reg. District: Mile End Old Town Sub District: Mile End Old Town Eastern
Parish: Mile End Old Town Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters Stepney City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 59, St Peters Road, Mile End Old Town
County: London

JENKINS, Caroline Head Widow F 42 1849
Kingsland
London
JENKINS, Eliza Daughter Single F 21 1870 Mantle Maker
Camberwell
London
JENKINS, Esther Daughter Single F 15 1876 Chemists Assistant
Camberwell
London


Maureen

The 1901 for the Bones :
1901 census transcription details for: 3, Hancock Road, Bromley, London


RG number: RG13 Piece: 344 Folio: 29 Page: 49


Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bromley
Parish: Bromley Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Leonard City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Hancock Road, Bromley, London
County: London


BONE, Richard Head Married M 36 1865
Bromley
London
BONE, Eliza Wife Married F 30 1871 General Laborer ( just one of those enumerator things - not the transcriber this time ! )
Hackney
London
BONE, Richard Son Single M 6 1895
Bromley
London
BONE, Thomas Son Single M 4 1897
Bromley
London
BONE, Joseph Son Single M 2 1899
Bromley
London
BONE, George Son Single M 0 (3 MOS) 1901
Bromley
London

Hi MaureeninNY,
Thank you very much for the 1901 census, for the Bones that is a big help, sadly I don’t think that is my Eliza her mother had died & I don’t think she has a sister Esther, oh well that eliminates her & that is a help.

When I first saw the 1901census for Charles & Rachel BRIND,I got excited thinking it was Eliza’s sister Rachel,then I read on & found she wasn’t.
Thank you again.
Ann

Please can some one look in the London marriages for James William Noyes Spouse: Nellie Eleanor Augustus Rayner Father: James Davis Noyes, Jun 1900.
Thank you
:-)

Ann

Name: James William Noyes
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Spouse Name: Nellie Eleanor Augustus Rayner
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Jun 1900
Parish: St James the Less, Bethnal Green
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Davis Noyes
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Rayner

Jan thank you very much,
you didn’t happen to see the bride fathers trade did you?
Thanks ,
Ann

French polisher??

Maureen

?1901 this family he is a French Polisher
Name: T W Rayner
[Thomas William Rayner]
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Rayner
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Haggerston
County/Island: London
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
T W Rayner 46
Louisa Rayner 45
Edgar Rayner 16
Laura Rayner 14
Edith Rayner 12
Walter Rayner 9

if you check 1881 there is an Eleanor in the family

I see what you mean,Jan:

1901 census transcription details for: 43, Boston Street, Shoreditch
RG number: RG13 Piece: 280 Folio: 62 Page: 12

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: Haggerston
Parish: Shoreditch Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustine Haggerston City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 43, Boston Street, Shoreditch
County: London
RAYNER, T W Head Married M 46 1855 French Polisher
Bethnal Green
RAYNER, Louisa Wife Married F 45 1856
Shoreditch
RAYNER, Edgar Son Single M 16 1885 French Polisher
Shoreditch
RAYNER, Laura Daughter Single F 14 1887 Tobacco Work
Shoreditch
RAYNER, Edith Daughter Single F 12 1889
Shoreditch
RAYNER, Walter Son Single M 9 1892
Shoreditch

The 1891 on FMPast:

RG number: RG12 Piece: 252 Folio: 126 Page: 30

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: Haggerston
Parish: Shoreditch Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary Haggerston City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 44, Fellows Street, Shoreditch, London
County: London

ROGNER, Thomas Head Married M 37 1854 French Polisher
Bethnal Green
London
ROGNER, Louisa Wife Married F 36 1855
Shoreditch
London
ROGNER, Louisa Daughter Single F 15 1876 Artificial Flower Maker
Bethnal Green
London
ROGNER, Ellenor Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Bethnal Green
London
ROGNER, William Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Shoreditch
London
ROGNER, Edgar Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Shoreditch
London
ROGNER, Leria Daughter F 4 1887
Shoreditch
London
ROGNER, Edith Daughter F 2 1889
Shoreditch
London

Thank you very much Jan & MaureeninNY, that is very helpful,
Her name Nellie Eleanor Augustus, makes a change from the usual Elizabeth & Jane doesn’t it ,


:-)

It does,but it also opens up a whole new line of "nicknames" which can be such a problem !

Maureen