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JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 06:51

I wonder if anyone can help me trace the following Liverpool people:

Mary Waters Guest, b abt. 1865;

Her father, William Guest, mother ?; and

Mary's daughter, named Jessie,
b c 1988/89, supposedly the old Workhouse at Walton Hospital.
Jessie's surname at time of 1913 marriage was given as Cooke Thomas.

Any help would be gratefully accepted.

Joyce

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 06:52

Sorry, I gave Jessie's birth year as 1988/89 when it should have been 1888/89.

patchem

patchem Report 11 Jun 2011 07:06

This is from free bmd:
Births Jun 1864
GUEST Mary Waters West Derby 8b 437
If you buy the certificate it will have her Mother's maiden name on it.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 11 Jun 2011 07:14

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Mary Waters Guest
Name: Mary Waters Guest
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1865
Age: 26
Father's name: William Guest
Spouse's Name: Joseph Henry Thomas
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Thomas
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1891
Marriage Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England



Vera

patchem

patchem Report 11 Jun 2011 07:17

And for reference:
Marriages Mar 1913
Robinson Christopher J C Thomas W. Derby 8b 462
Thomas Jessie C Robinson W.Derby 8b 462

and with Thomas family in 1901
1901 England Census
Jessie C Thomas
Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Thomas
Mother's name: Mary W Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Household schedule number: 290 Piece: 3478 Folio: 150 Page Number: 51

Joseph Thomas 36
Mary W Thomas 36
William A Thomas 3
Jessie C Thomas 12

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3478; Folio: 150; Page: 51.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Jun 2011 07:21

1871 census transcription details for: Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3826 Folio: 33 Page: 1

Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Everton
Parish: Kirkdale Enum. District: 99
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

GUEST, William Head M 68 1803 Cheshire
GUEST, Esther Wife F 68 1803 Lancashire
GUEST, Isabella E Granddaughter F 9 1862 Lancashire
GUEST, Mary W Granddaughter F 7 1864 Lancashire
GUEST, William R Grandson M 3 1868 Lancashire


Maureen

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 07:24

Got the marriage info for Jessie and Christopher (got copy marriage cert) but can't find trace of Jessie's birth. She celebrated her birthday on 21 July each year but not sure whether birth year was 1888 or 1889. Not even sure whether her birthplace was the old Walton Hospital Workhouse, Liverpool as it was only second-hand info which she received from another. We do know that she was a Liverpool girl who never saw her birth certificate and, so, we don't know whether she was registered even though it was illegal not to do so.

Is her birth registered as Jessie Guest or Jessie Cooke or, indeed, any other surname? The Thomas surname appears to be her stepfather.

patchem

patchem Report 11 Jun 2011 07:45

Widowed Father William without Mary in 1881
1881 England Census
William Guest
Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head
Mother's name: Esther Guest
Gender: Male Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Towson St Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Wood Carver & Joiner (Unemployed)
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 79 Piece: 3669 Folio: 112 Page Number: 9

William Guest 50
William R. Guest 13
John J. Guest 8
Charlotte E. Guest 6
Priscilla Guest 2
Esther Guest 78

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3669; Folio: 112; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341879.

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 07:59

Nice to see 69 Towson Street mentioned as Towson Street 171 is where Jessie lived at time of 1901 Census with mother, Mary W married to Joseph and ?full/half brother, William A Thomas.

Jessie's birthplace given as Lancs Liverpool and now I see that her name is listed as Jessie E Thomas - E is a new development so I can see I'll have to search for a Jessie E Guest or Jessie E Cooke in 1889.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Jun 2011 07:59

1891 census transcription details for: 25, Severn Street, Everton, Liverpool
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2954 Folio: 131 Page: 34


Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: North Everton
Parish: Everton Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Georges City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 25, Severn Street, Everton, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
THOMAS, Joseph Henry Head Married M 26 1865 Baker
Liverpool
THOMAS, Mary W Wife Married F 26 1865
Liverpool
THOMAS, Jessie Daughter F 2 1889
Liverpool
THOMAS, William Son M 0 (8M) 1891
Liverpool

Astra

Astra Report 11 Jun 2011 08:09

???

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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COOK Jessie W Derby 8b 426

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Jun 2011 08:17

I like it,Astra !!

Maureen

patchem

patchem Report 11 Jun 2011 08:17

For workhouse information:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestDerby/

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 11 Jun 2011 08:50

for reference

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Jessie Cooke Thomas
Name: Jessie Cooke Thomas
Birth Year: abt 1888
Age: 25
Marriage Date: 29 Mar 1913
Parish: Everton St John the Evangelist
Spouse's Name: Christopher John Charles Robinson
Father's name: Joseph Henry Thomas
Spouse Father's Name: Joshua Robinson


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Vera

Astra

Astra Report 11 Jun 2011 09:24

I think I must have gone blind.................or just can't see the wood for the trees??

Where is Jessie listed as Jessie E??

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 11 Jun 2011 09:33

????
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Jessie Thomas
Name: Jessie Thomas
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 414 (click to see others on page)

Vera

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 12:01

Astra,

Jessie listed as Jessie E Thomas on copy of Transcript from 1901 census, living with JH, Mary W and William Thomas at Towson Street, Liverpool.

Could the C (Cooke) have been transcribed as an E when typed?

Vera,

This could be promising but the year is wrong as Jessie was 12 at 1901 census - unless, for some reason, there was a delay in registering her birth as some family believed her to be illegitimate. What are chances of them getting away with that?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Jun 2011 14:14

I don't know where your transcription comes from,but the actual image is Jessie C. Fairly easy to tell as the enumerator's "E's" are quite different.

Maureen

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 11 Jun 2011 15:57

My transcript comes from the1901 census site accessed on 1 February 2004 - (1901) census.pro.gov.uk/index.jsp.

Both the family schedule and Full Transcrription details give the name clearly as Jessie E Thomas. I've had no reason to re-check the site details since 2004.

Since Jessie E Thomas was plainly listed as the daughter when I accessed the site in 2004 I believed that she must have been named Jessie E Cooke Thomas, although where the Cooke came from is anyone's guess!

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Jun 2011 16:43

Oh.
Well,you should really look at the actual image when possible.

Gosh-you do cite your sources very well !

I'll be happy to send you the image(s) for the 1901 if you PM me with your email address.

Best,
Maureen