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Major John Desborough

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Marjorie

Marjorie Report 7 Sep 2011 09:49

OK lets see if anyone can help me with this, there has always been a story in our family that on my Mums side, the Desboroughs we came down from Major John, he married twice the first time to Jane Cromwell and had two sons and one daughter, this can be found on any site that has him on,or his brother in law Oliver Cromwell, but he married again and had seven children by his 2nd wife, all the site's will also tell you this BUT who was she and what were her children called, I can not find out or what sex they were, I have come against a brick wall on this.

The two sons he had by Jane emirgated to Amercia, and if they came back I can find no record, maybe I am not looking in right place

So any help would be lovely, as would like to put this story to bed

Regards Marj

♥Julia♥

♥Julia♥ Report 7 Sep 2011 09:58

Marj

What is the time frame and what part of the country is he from???

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 7 Sep 2011 10:03

Well, assuming we are talking about the well-known Oliver Cromwell, it's 17th century!
i do not see any way someone can do this for you, at least no more than you can do yourself - the only way is to trace your family right back, quite possible but a considerablr undertaking.
You have to work back rather than forward I think.
jan

♥Julia♥

♥Julia♥ Report 7 Sep 2011 10:05

Jan
I thought that, but decided on it being too obvious :-D

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Sep 2011 10:10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Desborough

(snippet below from above link)


Desborough died in 1680. By his first wife, Cromwell's sister, he had one daughter and seven sons; he married a second wife in April 1658 whose name is unrecorded.

Chris :)

(mention of a daughter Anne below)

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/burton-john-1646-1703



(below, his Will, available to download £3.50, from Documents Online, National Archives)

Will of John Disbrow or Disbrowe of Hackney, Middlesex
Date 20 September 1680


(below, also on N A Site)

Private Act, 13 George I, c. 6 HL/PO/PB/1/1726/13G1n12 1726


These documents are held at Parliamentary Archives

An Act for enabling John Disbrow Gentleman, and his [...] to take and use the Surname of Spencer.



brummiejan

brummiejan Report 7 Sep 2011 10:13

For what it's worth, in my opinion the prospect of tracing all these children forward is unrealistic, and nobody else will do it I suspect!
Might be better to ask for assistance tracing your family back if you are stuck.
Jan

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Sep 2011 10:25

the story in my family is that Oliver Cromwell is an ancestor - always referred to as Uncle Ollie!!!! could be quite a possibility and apparently someone way back in the family traced back to him - I am in Cardiff and Cromwell did have quite an association with Whitchurch where I live and all my family hail from - something to do with my maiden name Williams I am told

Vera

Vera Report 7 Sep 2011 10:31

This might have nothing to do with your John, but thought I would show you......you probably have already seen it.. Not sure which part of the country they hail from.

JOHN DESBURROW Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: RACHELL STERN Family
Marriage: 05 JUN 1660 Stow Cum Quy, Cambridge, England


Regards Vera

Marjorie

Marjorie Report 8 Sep 2011 15:27

Wow

Thats some thing to work on

1st Jan 1610 to when he died, he was born in Cambridgeshire

2nd Chris thanks for the info on Anne, will follow that up

3rd Vera no had not seen that

Thanks all you have already found more then me clever people

Marj

Marjorie

Marjorie Report 8 Sep 2011 15:30

Jan

Do i start a new thread to trace back from where i have hit brick wall ???


Marj

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 8 Sep 2011 15:50

I would keep this one going, and add any further info to your original post so anyone helping will have all the info

Roy

Marjorie

Marjorie Report 9 Sep 2011 12:32

Thanks Roy

I have gone back as far as Laurence Desborough b 1750 wife Ann Unknown b about 1750

They had a son William born 1770 in Whittlesea Cambridgeshire England died 1869

I can not seem yo find anything out about Laurence Desborough, so any help again would be great folks
As William was born in Whittlesea Cambridgeshire England. maybe his father was

Marj

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 9 Sep 2011 14:36

LAWRENCE DISBOROWE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 1587 Eltisley, Cambridge, England

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Parents:
Father: JOHN DISBROWE Family
Mother: MRS. JOAN DISBROWE

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Sep 2011 15:11

1841

DESBOROUGH, William M 70 1771 Cambridgeshire (Ag Lab)
DESBOROUGH, Elizabeth F 68 1773 Cambridgeshire
DESBOROUGH, Mary F 23 1818 Cambridgeshire
DESBOROUGH, Ann F 21 1820 Cambridgeshire

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
82 Book/Folio:
7 Page:
9

Registration District:
Whittlesey Sub District:
Whittlesey Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Whittlesey St Mary & St Andrew Municipal Borough:
Address:
London Street Town Yard, Whittlesey St Mary & St Andrew County:
Cambridgeshire


Parish Records Collection - marriage
Year: 1805

Supplied Surname: RANDALL

Surname: RANDALL

Full First name: Elz

Supplied First Name: Elz

Spouse Surname: DESBOROW

Spouse Full First name: William

Spouse First Name: Wm

Place: WISBECH ST MARY

County: Cambridgeshire
Boy'ds Marriage Index 1538 - 1840

(is this your William above?)


If you look on link below, various Desborough articles come up, mostly related to the Huntingdon family. Also, looking on google there are several references to Laurence Desborough on a family tree, manfamily.

http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/ArchiveCatalogue/SearchArchives.htm



WILLIAM DESBOROUGH Pedigree
Male
Birth:
Christening: 22 MAY 1769 Whittlesey, Cambridge, England

Death: 13 JAN 1850

Parents:
Father: EDWARD DESBOROUGH Family
Mother: SARAH HODGSON

(although a Submitted record!!, wondered about this, as there is a Burial in Whittlesea for a Edward Desbury 1803)

How did you find William's parents names?...

Chris :)

edits to say, any idea where William is 1851 or 1861?...












Vera

Vera Report 9 Sep 2011 15:13

Ref Ann of GG


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John Disbrowe Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 1550 Eltisley, Cambridge, England

Christening:
Death: 23 JUN 1610

Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: Joan Family
Marriage: About 1577 Of, Eltisley, Cambridge, England



Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 9 Sep 2011 15:17

Thought this might interest you.
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JOHANNES DISBROWE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: JANE CRUMOWELL Family
Marriage: 23 JUN 1636 Eltisley, Cambridge, England




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JOHN DISBOROWE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: About 1550 Eltisley, Cambridge, England

Christening:
Death: MAY 1610

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN DISBOROWE Family
Mother: MRS. ALICE DISBOROWE




Regards Vera

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 9 Sep 2011 15:26

International Genealogical Index - British Isles
9. LAWRENCE DISBOROWE - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 1587 Eltisley, Cambridge, England

10. LAWRENCE DISBOROWE - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 1587 Eltisley, Cambridge, England

11. LAURENCE DISBROUGH - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 20 SEP 1645 Burrough Green, Cambridge, England

12. LAWRENCE DESBROUGH - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1693 Burrough Green, Cambridge, England

13. LAURENTIUS DISBOROWE - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 JUL 1594 Burrough Green, Cambridge, England

14. LAURENCIUS DISBORROWE - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 12 OCT 1561 Dullingham, Cambridge, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 9 Sep 2011 15:36

Laurentius Disborowe
England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 19 Jul 1594 —Burrough Green, Cambridge, England
spouse: Johanna Loveday

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Laurentius Disborowe
bride's name: Johanna Loveday
marriage date: 19 Jul 1594
marriage place: Burrough Green,Cambridge,England
indexing project (batch) number: M07344-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990297

Marjorie

Marjorie Report 11 Sep 2011 13:57

Thanks all this is a lot for me to get my teeth into. it seems William just might have been baptisted as Thomas why do this people change their names smile

Will keep you updated on it so many many thanks

Marj :-D

Kim

Kim Report 11 Sep 2011 20:14

Hello Marjorie
William Desborough, son of Edward & Sarah baptised St Mary's, Whittlesey 22 May 1769. He married Rebeccah Baker 27 Aug 1788

Edward Desborough married Sarah Hodgson in St Mary's 3 Oct 1763

They also had the following children:

John Desborough bapt 7 Jan 1766; buried 27 Mar 1771

Hannah Desborough bapt 29 Apr 1767; buried 30 Mar 1771

Hannah Desburg bapt 30 Mar 1778 (says in the register child of Edward & Elizabeth but gives mother's name as Sarah in the BTs!)

Sarah Desbury bapt 12 Oct 1783

Edward Desberry buried 7 Mar 1796

Sarah Desbura, widow, buried 12 Dec 1800

There is absolutely no mention of a Laurence in the registers for Whittlesey St Mary or St Andrew and there is little mention of the family at all before Edward and Susan - some children born in the 1710s and 1720s but most seem to have died in infancy.

I have the complete PRs for Whittlesey on CD, so if you need William's children looking up, please let me know. Pity I wasn't aware of this one last week, as I was in Cambridge, Huntingdon and Peterborough Archives and might have been able to assist. You could try asking on here if anyone has the Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire marriage indexes (there are also baptism and burial indexes for Cambridgeshire) - might help you to pinpoint where they moved to and from. :-)

Best wishes

Kim in Hull