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Janet Report 5 Dec 2011 19:44

l am trying to find anything about my great great grandfather joseph ryles he was a bootmaker he lived at 42 blackpool road in 1907 when is grandaugther maud dewar if any body as any about l would be greatfull Janet


Dea Report 5 Dec 2011 19:48

Blackpool Road where please?

When and where was he born and where does 'Maud dewar' come in?

Can we have the full details please and what is it you are wanting information on?

Dea x


jansmith Report 5 Dec 2011 19:57

think 1907 could relate to this marriage??
DEWAR, Maud Louise
Registration District: Help Barrow in Furness
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 8E
Page No: Help 1797


jansmith Report 5 Dec 2011 20:00

? 1891 Maud with parents

Reg. District: Barrow in Furness Sub District: Barrow in Furness
Parish: Barrow in Furness Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: St John City/Municipal Borough: Barrow
Address: 44, Abercorn Street, Barrow In Furness, Barrow
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DEWAR, Alexander Head Married M 30 1861 House Painter
DEWAR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1861
DEWAR, Maud Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
DEWAR, Duncan Son M 4 1887 Scholar
DEWAR, Grace Daughter F 2 1889
DEWAR, David Son M 0 (2M) 1891


MarieCeleste Report 5 Dec 2011 20:07

Looks like Maud's mother Elizabeth was living with an aunt in 1881:

RYLES, Mary A Head Married F 46 1835 Lady Moor Staffordshire
RYLES, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Machine Driller (E & M) Bilston Staffordshire
RYLES, Sarah A Daughter Single F 18 1863 Jute Worker Barrow Lancashire
TODD, Louisa Daughter Married F 23 1858 Housekeeper Bilston Staffordshire
RYLES, Thomas Son Single M 14 1867 Machine Driller (E & M) Warton Lancashire
RYLES, Emma Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
RYLES, Arthur Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
>>RYLES, Elizabeth Niece Single F 18 1863 Jute Worker Staley Bridge
TODD, John Son In Law Married M 22 1859 Stone Mason Hawcoat Lancashire
GILPIN, James Boarder Single M 26 1855 Map Etc Salesman Ireland
Registration District: Barrow in Furness
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness

Address: 59, Emlyn St, Barrow In Furness County: Lancashire


rootgatherer Report 5 Dec 2011 20:08

Marriages Jun 1907
DEWAR Maud Louise Barrow F. 8e 1797
THOMPSON Alexander Edward Barrow F. 8e 1797

Marriages Sep 1886
Addison Benjamin Barrow In Furness 8e 1105
DEWAR Alexander Barrow F 8e 1105
HELLEN Alice Barrow F. 8e 1105
RYLES Elizabeth Barrow F. 8e 1105


rootgatherer Report 5 Dec 2011 20:12

Using the free search, these Royles live in Blackpool Road in 1911. Any connection?

HOUSEHOLD ROYLES AGNES F 1890 21 Fylde Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROYLES EDITH C F 1861 50 Fylde Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROYLES WILLIAM M 1858 53 Fylde Lancashire


Ozibird Report 5 Dec 2011 20:18

Births Mar 1885
Ryles Maud Louisa Barrow In Furness 8e 837


MarieCeleste Report 5 Dec 2011 20:18

Rootgatherer, those Royles are actually at Station Road, Blackpool.


MarieCeleste Report 5 Dec 2011 20:20

Janet, did you actually get Maud's grandfather's address from her marriage certificate??


rootgatherer Report 5 Dec 2011 20:25

Sorry MarieCeleste, I was using the free search facility.

This seems to be the Elizabeth who married Alexander Dewar. Her father's name isn't Joseph though.


Name: Elizabeth A. Royles
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Dennis Royles
Mother's Name: Alice Royles
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 23 Mill Street

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Woollen Weaver

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: South Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3862
Folio: 23
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Dennis Royles 50
Alice Royles 43
Elizabeth A. Royles 20
Mary Royles 18
Edmund Royles 15
Sophia Royles 13
Richard Royles 11
Henrietta Royles 5
Dennis Royles 2


Ozibird Report 5 Dec 2011 20:30

In 1901 Elizabeth (Dewar) is born Ashton under Lyme. [Lyne?]

1871 England Census
Name: Elizebeth Riles
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margeret Riles
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Chorley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Chorley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley

Piece: 4198
Folio: 28
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Margeret Riles 25 - Poulton, Lancashire
Elizebeth Riles 8
Joseph Riles 3 <<<< This looks hopeful for father's name, born St Helens
William Riles 11 Months

Births Mar 1868
RILES Joseph Prescott 8b 653 (reg'n district for St Helens)

Births Jun 1870
Riles William Chorley 8e 501

There's quite a gap between Elizabeth and Joseph.


Ozibird Report 5 Dec 2011 21:14

Is this a coincidence?
Deaths Sep 1871
Riles William 1 Ulverston 8e 456

Deaths Mar 1872
RILES Joseph 4 Ulverston 8e 546


lancashireAnn Report 6 Dec 2011 14:06


there are 2 people missing of that 1907 marriage index

from cumbria bmd

Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEWAR Maud L BENZIE John A St John, Barrow in Furness Barrow C4/1/445

Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THOMPSON Alaxander E SAUNDERS Jessie St John, Barrow in Furness Barrow C4/1/446


lancashireAnn Report 6 Dec 2011 14:11

Do these baptisms fit your family Janet? In both Joseph is a shoemaker

Baptisms: 31 Mar 1854 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Riles - 1 Child of Joseph Riles & Anne
Born: 26 Feb 1854
Abode: Lodge Lane in Ashton
Occupation: Shoe Maker
Baptised by: Edward Pigot Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1861, Page 210, Entry 1676
Source: LDS Film 1885658

Baptisms: 9 Aug 1857 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Mary Ryles - 5 Child 1 Daughter of Joseph Ryles & Anne
Born: 12 Jul 1857
Abode: School Lane in Ashton
Occupation: Shoe Maker
Baptised by: F. Kenney
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1861, Page 293, Entry 2343
Source: LDS Film 1885658


MarieCeleste Report 6 Dec 2011 20:05

pm from Janet in answer to my query about where she got Joseph' address from:

"yes l got joseph address from my grandmothers marries certificate in 1907 mauds mother was elizabeth ryles she was born in south shields l think she was married in south shields to duncan dewar she elizabeth was a jute worker and duncan was a house painter they move to barrow-in-furness my grandmother maud was there third child out of 11 childern janet"

Have explained about replying on here so we can all see the info.


MarieCeleste Report 6 Dec 2011 20:13

Janet, the information you've given seems to conflict with what's been found, so let's try to straighten it out.

When you say you got Joseph's address from Maud's marriage certificate, how do you know he was living with her family at the time of her marriage? (The certificate, I believe, only gives the addresses of the bride and groom).

Where have you got the information from that Elizabeth was born in South Shields, do you know her birth year?


lancashireAnn Report 6 Dec 2011 20:37

pm from Janet

l do not know when joseph was born his daughter elizabeth was born in south shields about 1861 she married duncan dewar she was a jute worker and move to barrow-in-furness they had a 11 childern my grandmother maud dewar was married in 1907 to john alexander benzie l do not know much about joseph only that he was living in blackpool in 1907 at 42 blackpool road or street janet


Ozibird Report 6 Dec 2011 20:38

Thanks for reminding me about Lancashire BMD, Ann.

RILES William CARTER (Mother's Maiden Name) 1870 Chorley Preston Lancashire CHO/43/27

1861 England Census
Name: Margaret Carter
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Ball
Mother's Name: Hannah Ball
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Beard, Ollerset, Whitle, and Thornset
Ecclesiastical parish: Beard
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: Coal Pit Lane

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield

Piece: 2554
Folio: 67
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ball 28
Hannah Ball 33
Eliza Jane Ball 4
Valentine Ball 3
Henrietta Ball 1
Susan Ball 60
John Glansay 40 - boarder
Henry Carter 43 - boarder; Labourer; born Manchester
Susan Carter 44 - wife of boarder; born Ireland
Margaret Carter 15 - daughter [I think this should mean daughter of boarder.]


lancashireAnn Report 6 Dec 2011 20:50

Janet is this your Elizabeth in 1881 - jute worker living in Barrow but born in Staley Bridge

Mary A. RYLES Head M Female 46 Lady Moor, Stafford, England
Henry RYLES Son U Male 20 Bilston, Stafford, England Machine Driller (E & M)
Sarah A. RYLES Daur U Female 18 Barrow, Lancashire, England Jute Worker
Louisa TODD Daur M Female 23 Bilston, Stafford, England Housekeeper
Thomas RYLES Son Male 14 Warton, Lancashire, England Machine Driller (E & M)
Emma RYLES Daur Female 12 Barrow, Lancashire, England Scholar
Arthur RYLES Son Male 10 Barrow, Lancashire, England Scholar
Elizabeth RYLES Neice U Female 18 Staley Bridge, Stafford, England Jute Worker
John TODD Son In Law M Male 22 Hawcoat, Lancashire, England Stone Mason
James GILPIN Boarder U Male 26 Ireland Map Etc Salesman

Source Information:
Dwelling 59 Emlyn St
Census Place Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342024
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4287 / 30
Page Number 53