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Rose McKie b15/10/1922 - 27/02/1979

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Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 09:34

Looking to trace both parents of my maternal grandmother.
Lived in Newton Bewley, Billingham, Cleveland, was born in Middlesbrough.

She was married to Stanley James Shepherd, they had 4 children;
Sandra Shepherd
Jean Shepherd
Valerie Shepherd
Alan Shepherd

I believe Rose's history to be;
Father - William McKie 1896 - 1950
Mother - Evelyn Glover 1895 - 1924 (any history for her line would be appreciated)

I believe William McKie's history to be;
Father - John Mulcahy 02/03/1868 - 05/02/1900
Mother - Rose Bonner 24/02/1866 - 10/09/1907 (any history would be appreciated)

I believe John Mulchay's history to be;
Father - Laurence Mulcahy 1836? Ireland?
Mother - Margaret Herron 1843? Ireland?
History on either would be appreciated.

I am told the name changed from Mulcahy to McKie following the move from Ireland to Middlesbrough, when the accent could not be understood so they changed to spell it similar to its sound.....?

Any history for Rose and her ancestors would be appreciated.

Thank you



Gins Report 2 Jan 2012 12:31

Theres info on your other thread about this couple


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 20:43

there is only information on my grandfathers line on the other thread.... not on my grandmother Rose's line...


Flick Report 2 Jan 2012 21:28

You need to start doing some fact-based research, Gavin.

Get the marriage cert as a first step.

There is no point trying to folllow what you 'believe' to be the line.............


Kucinta Report 2 Jan 2012 22:15

certs to order?


Name: Rose Mckie
Mother's Maiden Surname: Glover
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 128


Name: Rose Mckie
Spouse Surname: Shepherd
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Registration district: Durham South Eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 214
Spouse Stanley J Shepherd Mckie Jan-Feb-Mar 1944 Durham South Eastern Durham


Name: Rose Shepherd
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1922
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1979
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Volume: 3
Page: 2814


Kucinta Report 2 Jan 2012 22:20

Name: William Mckie
Spouse Surname: Glover
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 1169
Spouse:Evelyn Glover Mckie Oct-Nov-Dec 1917 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 22:21

all correct Kucinta

I think her mother was Evelyn Glover 1895 - 1924 from Middlesbrough
Father William McKie 28/07/1896 - 1950 from Middlesbrough


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 22:24

you got there before


Kucinta Report 2 Jan 2012 22:27

You seem to have some sort of 'family history' already.

As Flick says, the only way to verify it is to check certificates and then census material, and eventually parish records etc.

You have previously been directed to freeBMD in another thread.

EDIT: Looks like our last posts crossed :-)


Bazz Report 2 Jan 2012 22:30

According to an Ancestry tree Rose Bonner's parents were
Bernard Bonner born 1821 Leitrim Ireland and

Mary Carrol born abt 1825 Monagan Ireland


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 22:30

ah yes, have tried this before, cant seem to get actual cert info... only lists of names with book references.... is that correct or am i doing it wrong?


jax Report 2 Jan 2012 22:34

You cannot get the cert info online you need to purchase the certs from GRO for £9.25 each


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 22:35

Bazz, thats great... thank you.
is Carroll the surname or middle name of Mary from the information you are looking at....?


KathleenBell Report 2 Jan 2012 22:35

This could be Evelyn's birth (but the name is spelt differently):-

Name: GLOVER, Eveline
Registration District: Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 9D
Page No: 532

If you buy Evelyn's marriage certificate (reference given earlier by Kucinta) it should name her father. I can't find Evelyn on the 1901 or 1911 census.

Kath. x


jax Report 2 Jan 2012 22:47

As that info is from someones tree there is nothing else apsrt from this census


Name: Rose Bouner
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bernard Bouner
Mother's name: Mary Bouner
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesbrough

Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Dobbys Bds

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4846
Folio: 80
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Bouner 60
Mary Bouner 56
Thomas Bouner 23
Mary Ann Bouner 18
Rose Bouner 16
Thomas Fitzpatrick 21

Also this person has over 28.000 in their tree so you cannot be sure how accurate it is


Bazz Report 2 Jan 2012 22:59

Carrol is Mary's surname and there is no record of her parents or the parents of Bernard on the tree


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 23:09

Kath / Bazz / Jax

Thank you all very much


jax Report 2 Jan 2012 23:27

Those parents details for Rose Bonner could be correct but after looking at that persons tree I would take it with a pinch of salt, unless you can get some sort of verification


Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 23:38

ah, ok

do you know who's tree it was... could they be a family link to me... or was it general research?


MarieCeleste Report 2 Jan 2012 23:48

Gavin, if you don't have an Ancestry subscription then you can search and view public Ancestry trees on Mundia, an Ancestry spin-off.

On there you can search and view trees and make contact with owners - very useful. However, a lot of Ancestry users (but not all) are like sheep and just copy stuff willy-nilly from each other's trees and suggested matches without doing any verification.

If you just want to collect names and have the biggest tree, well fine. But, if you want accuracy and pride in your OWN research then you have to do some verification. Buy your certificates from GRO (as you've now been advised many times) a lot of other places are rip-offs.