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Rose McKie b15/10/1922 - 27/02/1979

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Gavin

Gavin Report 18 Feb 2013 09:19

Kath

Good spot.... yes indeed.

Thank you

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Feb 2013 23:47

If William Glover worked as a Wharf Labourer when Evelyn married could the occupation on the birth certificate for Eveline Glover be Stevedore? (stevedore - A person employed, or a contractor engaged, at a dock to load and unload cargo from ships).

Sometimes a capital S can look like a T.

Kath. x

Gavin

Gavin Report 17 Feb 2013 21:19

Rose McKie - wedding certificate, shows her father as being William McKie (Docker)

Gavin

Gavin Report 17 Feb 2013 21:16

2 certs received;

Marriage;
08th December 1917 (Middlesbrough 9D 1169)
William McKie & Evelyn Glover

William McKie, aged 23, Shipyard Labourer, father is John McKie (deceased), Ironworks labourer.
Evelyn Glover, aged 22, Spinster, father is William Glover, Wharf Labourer.
Address for both is 52 Theodore Street, Middlesbrough.


Birth
19th October 1895 (Middlesbrough 9D 532)
Eveline Glover
Father is William Glover, cant read occupation.. Theredorm??
Mother is Matilda Glover (formerly McLarkin / McLain?)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Jan 2012 18:16

Gavin....I dont have access to other sites so am only going from previous threads on here...
You need to get the Birth/Marriage Certs asap to confirm you are connected to the correct families..(going back)..
The variation in spelling for Mulcahy is numerous and the only definative is Ó Maolchathaigh.( you wont be finding that other than in Ireland) !!!
Am away to get sorted afore the Match comes on...Will be back later unless its Head in the Gas Oven time...

Gavin

Gavin Report 3 Jan 2012 18:05

thats the line I got.... looks like the same one you mention from Ansestry?

Gavin

Gavin Report 3 Jan 2012 18:03

mulcaby?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Jan 2012 17:44

Gavin...For ref >>> 1881

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace
Margaret MULCABY Head W Female 38 Ireland
John MULCABY Son Male 13 Middlesbrough
William MULCABY Son Male 10 Middlesbrough
Larence MULCABY Son Male 8 Middlesbrough
Martin MULCABY Son Male 10 Middlesbrough
Ellen MULCABY Daur Female > 1 Norh Ormesby, York, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Dobbys Bds
Census Place Middlesbrough, York, England

If this is the family...there were twins Martin and William
also large gap between laurence and Ellen....probably some children missing...

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Jan 2012 17:29

The Laurence Mulcahy and Margaret Herron connection (as I read it) comes from a tree on Ancestry so you would after be needing to confirm that particular marriage and subsequent children...
I will have a look around Southern Munster (Where the surname originates) and see if I can find anything....

Gavin

Gavin Report 3 Jan 2012 17:12

Hi

The family information I have is just verbal from my mother who says she recalls being told as a child that her mothers family name McKie came from Ireland but the English locals couldnt spell it so they wrote it at it sounded in the Irish accent..... so it was often written as McKie by the english people they worked for.... then they just stayed with it... could be pure rubbish i guess.
The other information is also in line with my own, however I got mine from another relation who may have gone down the wrong line so I definately need to verify it all.
As Bazz provided earlier in the thread I can see John Mulcahy marrying Rose Bonner and Rose's parents as Bernard Bonner and Mary Carroll.
The death of Laurence Mulcahy would fit with the one mentioned before as being married to Margaret Herron... with John as their son.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Jan 2012 11:44

Gavin...Dont know if you have this but John Mulcahy married Rose Bonner (BONNAR) 1888 Reg Middlesbro.

The 1881 Census shows Bernard "Bouner" and family living Dobby's Blds. well it may be worthwhile checking 2 doors along from them as there is a "MULCABY" family with son John ....(another possible mistranscription...)
A Lawrence "Mulchay" Death Reg 1880. aged 43 (Middlesbro.)

As an aside.. I am not too convinced that "Mulcahy" would eventualy become "McKie" but who knows..if you have family info.relating to the change then it will eventualy show when you get the Certs....

Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 23:51

Thank you MarieCeleste..... much appreciate your advice.

Not looking for numbers, looking for facts.

Appreciate your comments.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jan 2012 23:48

Gavin, if you don't have an Ancestry subscription then you can search and view public Ancestry trees on Mundia, an Ancestry spin-off.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

On there you can search and view trees and make contact with owners - very useful. However, a lot of Ancestry users (but not all) are like sheep and just copy stuff willy-nilly from each other's trees and suggested matches without doing any verification.

If you just want to collect names and have the biggest tree, well fine. But, if you want accuracy and pride in your OWN research then you have to do some verification. Buy your certificates from GRO (as you've now been advised many times) a lot of other places are rip-offs. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 23:38

ah, ok

do you know who's tree it was... could they be a family link to me... or was it general research?

jax

jax Report 2 Jan 2012 23:27

Those parents details for Rose Bonner could be correct but after looking at that persons tree I would take it with a pinch of salt, unless you can get some sort of verification

Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 23:09

Kath / Bazz / Jax

Thank you all very much

Bazz

Bazz Report 2 Jan 2012 22:59

Carrol is Mary's surname and there is no record of her parents or the parents of Bernard on the tree

jax

jax Report 2 Jan 2012 22:47

As that info is from someones tree there is nothing else apsrt from this census

1881

Name: Rose Bouner
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bernard Bouner
Mother's name: Mary Bouner
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesbrough

Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Dobbys Bds
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4846
Folio: 80
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Bouner 60
Mary Bouner 56
Thomas Bouner 23
Mary Ann Bouner 18
Rose Bouner 16
Thomas Fitzpatrick 21


Also this person has over 28.000 in their tree so you cannot be sure how accurate it is

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jan 2012 22:35

This could be Evelyn's birth (but the name is spelt differently):-

Name: GLOVER, Eveline
Registration District: Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 9D
Page No: 532

If you buy Evelyn's marriage certificate (reference given earlier by Kucinta) it should name her father. I can't find Evelyn on the 1901 or 1911 census.

Kath. x

Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 22:35

Bazz, thats great... thank you.
is Carroll the surname or middle name of Mary from the information you are looking at....?