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Jacob Goldstein

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Donna

Donna Report 20 May 2012 10:35

Hi I am trying to find any info on Jacob and his siblings. He was born in Poland or Russia in 1879 and moved here with his parents, Isaac and Leah. Jacob went on to change his name to Jack Goodwin and was a famous boxing trainer. As they changed the names I am finding it hard to find the right line of the family. He had 2 brothers one who was known as Joe Goodwin and a sister called Rebecca. She was my great Grandmother.

I know Jacob died 7th March 1932 on the steps of Albert Hall and I know where he is buried Its just the huge gap of 53 yrs that I'd love to find out about.


Any help would be much appreciated

Thanks

Donna

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 10:38

where have you found the family last / have you got them on any census to save us searching for what you already know

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 May 2012 10:41

Is this the family in the 1891 census? :-

1891 census transcription details for: 12, Hope Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 273
Book: 22
Page: 38
Reg. District: Whitechapel
Sub District: Spitalfields
Parish: Spitalfields
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Stephen
City/Municipal Borough: Whitechapel

Address: 12, Hope Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel
County: London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Isaac Head Married M 50 1841 Boot Maker
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Leah Wife Married F 46 1845
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Samuel Son Single M 26 1865 Master Baker
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Barnett Son Single M 24 1867 Tailor
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Eva Daughter Single F 19 1872 Tailoress
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Rebecca Daughter Single F 16 1875 Servant Domestic
Poland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GOLDSTEIN, Jacob Son Single M 13 1878
Poland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MORRIS, Jacob Boarder Single M 23 1868 Tailor
Poland
WOOLF, Isaac Boarder Single M 22 1869 Tailor
Poland

Kath. x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 10:42

1891 to establish the family

1891 census transcription details for: 12, Hope Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel
Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 273
Book: 22
Page: 38
Reg. District: Whitechapel
Sub District: Spitalfields
Parish: Spitalfields
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Stephen
City/Municipal Borough: Whitechapel
Address: 12, Hope Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOLDSTEIN, Isaac Head Married M 50 1841 Boot Maker
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Leah Wife Married F 46 1845
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Samuel Son Single M 26 1865 Master Baker
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Barnett Son Single M 24 1867 Tailor
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Eva Daughter Single F 19 1872 Tailoress
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Rebecca Daughter Single F 16 1875 Servant Domestic
Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Jacob Son Single M 13 1878
Poland
MORRIS, Jacob Boarder Single M 23 1868 Tailor
Poland
WOOLF, Isaac Boarder Single M 22 1869 Tailor
Poland

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 10:44

so still Goldstein in 1901
1901 census transcription details for: 28, Scarborough Street, Whitechapel
Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 306
Book: 70
Page: 17
Reg. District: Whitechapel
Sub District: Goodmans Fields
Parish: Whitechapel
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: St Marks
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Scarborough Street, Whitechapel
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOLDSTEIN, Isaac Head Married M 58 1843 Boot Finisher
Russia (Russian Sub)
GOLDSTEIN, Leah Wife Married F 54 1847
Russia (Russian Sub)
GOLDSTEIN, Rebecca Daughter Single F 23 1878
Russia (Russian Sub)
GOLDSTEIN, Jacob Son Single M 22 1879 Tailor Machinist
Russia (Russian Sub)

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 10:49

1911 England Census
about Jacob Goldstein Name: Jacob Goldstein
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Russia
Civil parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 11 Booth St, Spitalfields
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: MACHINER IN TROUSERS
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1461
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Goldstein 33
Nechen Goldstein 29
Max Goldstein 8
Rebecca Goldstein 4
Abraham Goldstein 0



KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 May 2012 10:58

Another possibility for the 1911 census (as the one above given by Susan says married 12 years but I think the Jacob we are looking for was single in 1901):-

1911 census transcription details for: 3 Paultons Street Chelsea

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN412 RG78PN13 RD4 SD2 ED15 SN408
Reg. District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea South
Parish: Chelsea
Enum. District: 15

Address: 3 Paultons Street Chelsea
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Jacob Head Married M 35 1876 Tailor Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Mary Wife Married F 35 1876 0
GOLDSTEIN, Becky Daguhter F 7 1904 London
GOLDSTEIN, Rose Dagth F 5 1906 London
GOLDSTEIN, Ivy Son M 3 1908 London
GOLDSTEIN, Chiley Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 London
COHEN, Leah Visitor Maried F 27 1884 Poland
POLOCK, Bannett Lodger Marrid M 27 1884 Tailor Rusia
POLOCK, Flat Lodger Married
2 years F 21 1890 London
POLOCK, Abraham Lodger M 12 1899 London
MELINAN, Yetts Mother Married
40 years F 53 1858 Polland

Perhaps the daughter Becky was named after Jacob's sister Rebecca??

Kath. x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 May 2012 12:23

I think we need the OP to tell us who Jacob married.
This would seem to be the match for Kath's 1911:
Marriages Jun 1900
Goldstien Jacob Mile End 1c 783
Malina Mary Mile End 1c 783

Maureen

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 12:33

I,m sure you have Googled !!!!!



MARCH 8, 1932
Funeral of Jack Goodwin Famous Boxing Trainer

London, Mar. 7 (JTA) –
Extraordinary scenes marked the funeral at the Jews' Cemetery in East Ham this afternoon of Jack Goodwin, the boxing trainer, who died at the Albert Hall last week when Larry Gains, whom he had trained, won against McCorquodale.
The East End paid an emotional tribute. Outside the house in Shoreditch mounted police had to force back crowds of weeping men and women, who surged round the hearse as the coffin was brought out. Then foot policemen bent double in their efforts to keep a cordon, as the crowd tried again to get close to the hearse and the mourners' cars. Traffic was held up for some time at the beginning of the procession through Commercial street, Commercial road and Sydney street.
Boxers Goodwin had trained from boyhood accompanied the cortege.
There was great excitement when a big blue car drove up, and Larry Gains, at whose fight Goodwin died, alighted.
There were scores of wreaths. Lord Lonsdale sent one in the form of a boxing ring in beautiful chrysanthemums.
Among those who followed Jack Goodwin to the graveside were Phil Scott, Sam Russell, Jack Bloomfield, Fred Dyer, and Joe Fox (the ex-champion who came specially from Birmingham).
More than 300 telegrams came to the Goodwin home this morning.
When the coffin was borne into the cemetery, it was in the presence of a gathering which included practically every well-known figure in the boxing world of London.


so when did he change his name??

Jack Goodwin, known as a trainer'
of boxing champions, who trained
nearly every British champion forFix this text
the past 20 years,- collapsed and
died from excitement during a fight


this would mean he started training in c 1912 ??


how do you know this is Jacob ??

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:47

Found this record.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
about Jack Goodwin Name: Jack Goodwin
Probate Date: 14 Jul 1932
Death Date: 3 Mar 1932
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London


Reads
Goldstein Jacob or Goodwin Jack of 22 cleeve building Shorditch Middelsex,died 3rd March 1932,royal Albert Hall Kensington Middelsex.
Admin London 14th July to Ellen Goldstein Widow 851pounds 5 shilling and 9 pence.

So his wife was Ellen.

Sue

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 May 2012 12:53

The widow (from the probate records on Ancestry appears to be Ellen).

Maybe:

Marriages Dec 1904
Goldstein Jacob Mile End 1c 793
Meadows Ellen Mile End 1c 793

Not seeing them in 1911!!

Maureen

Edit: So sorry,Sue! Didn't refresh.
:-(

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:54

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Possibel marriage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Goldstein Jacob Mile End 1c 793
Landsman Eva Mile End 1c 793
Meadows Ellen Mile End 1c 793
RUBENSTEIN Benjamin Mile End 1c 793


Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:57

Possibel deaths for Ellen.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deaths Jun 1935 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Goldstein Ellen 69 Gateshead 10a 950

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deaths Sep 1951 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

GOLDSTEIN Ellen G 64 Blackburn 10b 282

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 13:01

Ellen is with her parents

1911 census transcription details for: 14 Dunloe St Haggerston N E
Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1372 RG78PN48 RD16 SD3 ED9 SN386
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch North East
Parish: Shoreditch
Enum. District: 9
Address: 14 Dunloe St Haggerston N E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MEADOWS, John Head Married
34 years M 56 1855 Cabinet Maker London Spitalfields
MEADOWS, Sarah Wife Married
34 years F 52 1859 London Spitalfields

GOLDSTEIN, Ellen Daughter Married
6 years F 30 1881 London Bethnal Green>>>>>>
no children born

MEADOWS, William Son Single M 21 1890 Cabinet Maker London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Edith Daughter Single F 19 1892 London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Maud Daughter Single F 16 1895 Box Maker Cardboard London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Harry Son Single M 10 1901 London Bethnal Green

Flip

Flip Report 20 May 2012 13:05

Larry Gains was Canadian - wonder if Jack/Jacob travelled outside Uk which his fighters - the trainer would normally be at their fights??

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 13:18

one of the boxers he trained,all on Google.

Charlie Hardcastle - a forgotten champion
Posted by Miles Templeton
Before the Second World War being a British Boxing Champion provided no guarantee of great wealth. Many champions boxed professionally whilst holding down a full time job. Many of these jobs were arduous. A fine example of this is Charlie Hardcastle of Barnsley. His trainer, Jack Goodwin, wrote that after winning the British Featherweight Title on a Monday evening in 1917 “Hardcastle went back to Barnsley and on the Wednesday the new featherweight champion was at work in the pit once more”. There was, of course, a war on and Charlie was in a reserved occupation which meant that, although he was spared from the trenches, he had to contribute to the war effort nonetheless.

Donna

Donna Report 21 May 2012 13:47

GOODNESS ME!!!!

Thank you all so much!! I can gain from this that he married ELLEN MEADOWS which is new info. I did know they had no children.

I had seen the info from google about his death etc. I would think that he would have traveled around and also served in the First War as his sister Rebecca (my G Gran) met her husband Albert through him, they were in the same regt apparently.

There were so many immigrants with the same names etc in the same area that is why i was getting confused. I didnt know about Eva so thats very interesting. I will now try and find out about his siblings.

Thank you to all of you!!!

Donna

Donna

Donna Report 21 May 2012 14:04

Just a quick question -----

The DOBs are different between the 1891 and 1901 is this a regular discrepancy?

In reply to Shirley. I phoned the Jewish cemetery in East Ham where he was buried and the only one it could be was Jacob. We knew him as Jack Goodwin but knew their name was Goldstein just didnt know his first name!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 May 2012 14:54

Fortunately his name is given on the probate records of his will.

says:
Goldstein Jacob or Jack Goodwin of 22 Cleeve Buildings Shoreditch died 3rd March 1932 at The Royal Albert Hall.Kensington ,Middlesex .admin 14th July to Ellen Goldstein widow effects £851.5s.9d


Edit .whoops Sue has posted this but will leave as it follows sequence

Donna

Donna Report 22 May 2012 19:12

Thank you anyway :-)