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I am trying to trace the parents of my great grandparents - My great g/p are William Collins (b abt 1862-14.07.1931) who was married (1889/1890 in Reduth district) to Ellen Jane Collins (b abt 1863-15.04.1928). They are Stithians connected and have lived in Herniss, Cornwall. They had 9 children (listed below) I have found these in the 1901 & 1911 Census but I just can't seem to go back on the parents of William and Ellen Jane. There is a marrage record for a William and Ellen and it states that she was Ellen Collins when they married so she possibly was born a Collins and married a Collins. Can anyone confirm that this is the case so that I can go further back with their parents details.
WILLIAM J COLLINS - 1890
LIZZIE COLLINS - 1892
JOHN COLLINS - 1893
CHARLES COLLINS - 1896
MARY ELLEN - 1897
ALPHONSO COLLINS - 1898 - 12/04/1971 (My grandfather)
PERCY COLLINS - 1900
THOMAS HAROLD COLLINS - 1902
GEORGE RALPH - 1903
Any help will be greatfully received :-)

If you bought their marriage certificate it should tell you the names of their fathers.

Chris

Marriage certificate will give the names and occupations of their fathers.

Marriages Mar 1890
COLLINS Ellen Jane Redruth 5c 310
COLLINS William Redruth 5c 310

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
COLLINS Ellen Jane Redruth 5c 310
COLLINS William Redruth 5c 310
Mankee William James Redruth 5c 310
WILLS Bessie Redruth 5c 310

Chris

If you want to be doubly sure then buy one of the children's birth certificates to confirm mother's maiden name.

1891

Name: William Collins
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen J Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Stithians, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stithians
Ecclesiastical parish: Stithians
Town: Herniss
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1845
Folio: 70
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
William Collins 30 Stone Mason
Ellen J Collins 28
William J Collins 1

1881 ????

COLLINS, James Head Married M 51 1830
Blind Stithians, Cornwall
COLLINS, Jane Wife Married F 51 1830
Wendron, Cornwall
COLLINS, William Son Single M 23 1858 Stone Mason
Stithians, Cornwall
COLLINS, Jethro Son Single M 21 1860 Stone Mason
Stithians, Cornwall
>>>>COLLINS, Ellen J Daughter Single F 18 1863 Domestic Assistant
Stithians, Cornwall
COLLINS, Bessie Daughter Single F 16 1865 Dressmaker
Stithians, Cornwall
COLLINS, Alfred Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Stithians, Cornwall

Chris

There is more than 1 William Collins born around that time in the same area so you really need the marriage certificate.


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1861

Name: William Collins
Age: 4 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Collins
Mother's name: Mary Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Stithians, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stithians
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 1578
Folio: 71
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
William Collins 33 Granite Stone Cutter
Mary Collins 40
Elizabeth Collins 8
Mary I Collins 5
Hannah Collins 3
William Collins 4 Mon

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Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
COLLINS Ellen Jane Redruth 5c 26[14]

Chris

1871

Name: Ellen Collins
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Collins
Mother's name: Jane Collins
Gender: Female
Where born: Stithians, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Stithians
Town: Church
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 2314
Folio: 77
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Collins 41 Rag Gatherer
Jane Collins 41
James Collins 17
Thomas Collins 15
William Collins 13
Jethro Collins 11
Ellen Collins 9
Bessie Collins 7
Alfred Collins 2
Elizabeth Beard 68 Mother-in-law
Alfred Beard 25 Brother-in-law

1861

Name: James Collins
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Stythians, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stithians
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 1578
Folio: 109
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Collins 31 Tin Miner (not recorded as blind)
Jane Collins 31
Eliza Collins 8
James Collins 7
Thomas Collins 5
William Collins 3
Jethro Collins 1
Elizabeth Beard 57
Alfred James Beard 15


Marriages Dec 1852
BEARD Jane Redruth 5c 504
COLLINS James Redruth 5c 504


1851

Name: James Collins
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Collins
Mother's name: Eliza Collins
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Stythians, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stithians
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1914
Folio: 59
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
James Collins 44 Copper Miner
Eliza Collins 61
James Collins 21 Copper Miner
William Collins 19
Henry Collins 17
Thomas Collins 15
Eleanor Collins 13
Jane Collins 9
Grace Collins 6
Maryann Collins 4
Eliza Collins 1


1851

Name: Elizabeth Beard
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Wendron, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stithians
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Gwennap
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 1914
Folio: 66
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Beard 47 Widow, Churn Woman
Jane Beard 21 Mine Girl
Elizabeth Beard 18
Jethro Beard 16
Alfred Beard 6 Son


1841

Name: Elizbth Beard
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Wendron
Hundred: Kerrier
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Wendron
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 139
Book: 6
Folio: 55
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Elizbth Beard 35 School Mistress
William Beard 16
Jane Beard 10
Elizth Beard 8
Jethro Beard 5

Thanks for your replies. It does look like I am going to have to obtain a marriage certificate and go from there. There are just to many "could be records" at the moment. It was worth a go.

I have got a marriage certificate for William and Ellen Collins. Ellen Jane was formerly a Collins and she married a Collins so that really helps with me moving on. Ellen Jane Collins father was James Collins (1830-1885) & her mother was Jane Beard (1830).
I have Williams birth record which shows him born on 9th Dec 1860 in Stithians, Cornwall. It states on the certificate that his father was also William (Stone Mason) and his mother was Mary Martin. That is as far as I can get. I seem to have hit a brick wall with going back on these pair...any suggestions? I need to know who William Collins and Mary Martins parents are. I assume they are Cornwall connected?

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Day Month 30-Jan
Year 1853
Parish Or Reg District Gluvias, St.
Groom Fn William
Groom Sn COLLINGS
Groom Age Full
Groom Residence Penryn
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Stone Mason
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name Nicholas
Groom Father Rank Profession Stonemason
Bride Fn Mary
Bride Sn MARTIN
Bride Age Full
Bride Residence Penryn
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name Benjamin
Bride Father Rank Profession Stonemason
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns
Witness Fn1 Thomas
Witness Sn1 Evans
Witness Fn2 Elizabeth
Witness Sn2 Paul
Other Information mark: Elizabeth Paul
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber M.Topham

parents: Nicholas Collings
spouse: Mary Martin

groom's name: William Collings
bride's name: Mary Martin
marriage date: 30 Jan 1853
marriage place: Saint Gluvias,Cornwall,England
groom's father's name: Nicholas Collings
bride's father's name: Benjamin
indexing project (batch) number: M03555-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 246839, 246840

1881 Wales Census
about Nicholas Collings
Name: Nicholas Collings
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Collings
Gender: Male
Where born: Mabe, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 12 Upper Raglan St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Mason & Weighing Constable

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5265
Folio: 30
Page Number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Collings 32
Jane Collings 30
Ellen J. Collings 10
William N. Collings 8
Sarah A. Collings 7
Eliza Collings 5
Mary E. Collings

Using second names on this census as children have the same names.

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1861

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
COLLINS William Head M M 33 Granite Stone Cutter Cornwall - Mabe
COLLINS Mary Wife M F 40 Stone Cutter's Wife Cornwall - Stithians
COLLINS Elizabeth Dau - F 8 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
COLLINS Mary J Dau - F 5 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
COLLINS Hannah Dau - F 3 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
COLLINS William Son - M 4m Cornwall - Stithians

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Day Month 11-Jun
Year 1823
Parish Or Reg District Stithians
Forename Mary
Surname MARTIN
Sex F
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Jane
Residence Wendron
Father Rank Profession Husbandman
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Michael Bath

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Groom's Name: Benjamin Martin
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Jane Vincent
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 12 May 1823
Marriage Place: Wendron, Cornwall, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05644-1
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596317
Reference Number: p 96

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1841 Census
12 Records found



Piece: HO107/139/3 Place: Kerrier -Cornwall Enumeration District: 28
Civil Parish: Stithians Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 49 Page: 12
Address: Menerdue

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BEARD Joseph M 37 Copper Miner Cornwall
BEARD Elizth. F 30 Wife (Crossed Out) Cornwall
BEARD James M 12 Cornwall
BEARD William M 10 Cornwall
BEARD Elizth. F 2 Cornwall
BEARD Jethro M 3 Cornwall
BEARD Jane F 3 Cornwall
BEARD Mary Ann F 4m Cornwall
BEARD John M 4m Cornwall
MARTIN Edward M 30 Male Servant Cornwall
MARTIN Mary F 17 Servant Cornwall
MOIL Mary F 12 Servant Cornwall