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Deborah

Deborah Report 20 Aug 2012 17:23

Looking to find information on Margaret Horan 1980 mother of Eileen Brice 1924 my mother-in-law. She knew little of her mothers past as she died young. The only thing Eileen knew was that she was borne in Cobh in Ireland and had connections with Liverpool. If anyone has any information I would appreciate a message.

Regards Debbie

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2012 17:26

Hi Deborah - could you just check that birthdate?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2012 17:29

Just to give us an idea of timescale and location, is this Eileen and her siblings?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Mar 1912
Brice Margaret M Horan Cardiff 11a 968

Births Jun 1913
Brice James M Horan Farnham 2a 292

Births Mar 1914
BRICE John C Horan Cardiff 11a 958

Births Sep 1915
Brice Hilda L Horan Cardiff 11a 844

Births Dec 1917
Brice George P Horan Cardiff 11a 739

Births Mar 1921
Brice Emily A Horan Cardiff 11a 973

Births Jun 1923
Brice Frederick W Horan Cardiff 11a 889

Births Dec 1924
Brice Eileen Horan Cardiff 11a 778 <<

Births Sep 1928
Brice Anthony F Horan Cardiff 11a 658

K

K Report 20 Aug 2012 17:32

Do you mean Margaret Horan was born in 1890 rather than 1980?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2012 17:32

What was Eileen's father's name? - if we find the marriage then we can work back.

Where and when did Margaret Brice die?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2012 17:33

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Name: Margaret Brice
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 355

K

K Report 20 Aug 2012 17:34

Based on the children could this be the couple in 1911?

Name: Margaret Brice
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Laonstown, Cork, Ireland - Actually looks like Queenstown
Civil parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 16 Adelaide St Cardiff
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 32129
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles John Brice 26 b Glamorgan - Fireman
Margaret Brice 22
Charles James Brice 6/12 b Cork Queenstown

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2012 17:37

She is on various family trees on Ancestry as Margaret A. Horan, married to a Charles Brice.
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2012 17:40

?1901 (parents and oldest sibling born Ireland):

1901 England Census

Name: Margaret A Heran
[Margaret A Horan]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Heran
Mother's Name: Ann Heran
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington

Joseph Heran 39
Ann Heran 38
Joseph Heran 19
Margaret A Heran 11
Elizabeth Heran 6

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2012 17:42

The 1911 says they've been married 1 year 8 months so this could be likely:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Charles John Brice
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Cork
Volume: 5
Page: 142
FHL Film Number: 101261

There is also a Margaret Horan on the page.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 20 Aug 2012 17:43

Births Dec 1882 ?

Brice Charles John Cardiff 11a 274

Roy

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2012 17:44

Looks like Charles was actually at work!!


1911 Wales Census

Name: Charles Bryce
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Crew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Frieman
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2012 17:45

1901:

HORAN, Joseph Head Married M 39 1862 Tailor Ireland
HORAN, Ann Wife Married F 38 1863 Ireland
HORAN, Joseph Son Single M 19 1882 General Labourer Ireland
HORAN, Margaret A Daughter Single F 11 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire
HORAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 6 1895 Liverpool, Lancashire

Piece: 3424 Folio: 128 Page: 17
Registration District: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool

Address: 14, Gomer Street, Liverpool County: Lancashire

K

K Report 20 Aug 2012 18:01

1911? Father - listed again as a tailor

Person: HORAN, Joseph

Institution: Bevington House Hotel, BEVINGTON HOUSE HOTEL
Cost

HORAN, Joseph Lodger Widower M 49 1862 Tailor Tipp Thurlin Resident

RG number: RG14

Piece: 22147

Reference: RG14PN22147 RD453 SD1 ED31 SN9999

Registration District: Liverpool

Sub District: Scotland

Enumeration District: 31

Parish: Liverpool

Address: Bevington Bush Liverpool

County: Lancashire

K

K Report 20 Aug 2012 18:05

1891?

ame: Joseph Horan
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Horan
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipperary, Ireland

Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3299
Folio: 38
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Horan 28
Ann Horan 30 b Tipperary
Joseph Horan 8 b Tipperary
Margaret A Horan 2 b Manchester
Ellen Horan 5/12

Deborah

Deborah Report 8 Sep 2012 13:20

looking for relatives of Margaret Horan 1889 with Irish Mother and married to Charles John Brice of Cardiff .

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Sep 2012 14:20

pms from Deborah:

"Hi MarieCeleste, yes you appear to have most of the Brice family there accept Margaret is the Mother of Eileen which i am looking for more information on. James is no connection.

Thank you for your help Debbie"

You're quite right about James, Farnham is nowhere near the rest of them in Cardiff. But, if we're not given a location to start with then it's just a case of posting whatever records may be possible connections.

also:

"How do i search the marriage record for Ireland census?

I am new to this searching thing and haven't got a clue what i am doing?

Thank you"

Deborah

Deborah Report 8 Sep 2012 15:06

Thank you all

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Sep 2012 15:08

Debbie, just to clarify one thing marriage and census records are entirely different things.

The only Irish census records that survived are the 1901 and 1911, they are free to search and view on this link http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

This thread here http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/951721 gives useful advice about Irish research.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Sep 2012 15:12

I notice you've marked this thread as answered, that means that people will think you've got all the answers you need so may stop looking for further info.

If you want to remove the answered tick then go to your first post and there will be a button that says something like "mark this as unanswered" - click on that.