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Eddie

Eddie Report 4 Nov 2012 12:18

Hi to one and all Please see if you can help Heres a little poser Iam looking for a frank stewart battersby b1899 baptised 10/9/1899 south kensington on his B cert it states his parents as john frederick batteresby elizabeth batteresby, address 7 westerby mews, occ police constable, I can not find them any where I know he had a brother james c, b1901 chelsea . In the 1911c there are a frank and james with parents charles/marie he is also a police constable regards ed

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 12:23

Might just confuse things, but here is 1911 for the address:


1911 England Census about Frederick Battersby
Name: Frederick Battersby
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stonehouse, Devon, England
Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Wetherby Mews, Earls Court Road SW
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 20
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891
Occupation: P PENSIONER TKT COLLETOR
Registration district: Kensington
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration district: Kensington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Piece: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Battersby 48
Kate Battersby 44
Archibald Battersby 15
May Battersby 14
Dorothy Battersby 13
Alex Battersby 10
Marie Battersby 8

Eddie

Eddie Report 4 Nov 2012 12:33

if you look at 1911c for charles battersby it also states hes from stonehouse dvon

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 12:34

This looks like the above Frederick, a police constable 1901, living 7 Wetherby Mews:


1901 England Census about Frederick Battersby
Name: Frederick Battersby
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Battersby
Gender: Male
Where born: Stonehouse, Devon, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
County/Island: London

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton

Frederick Battersby 38
Susan Battersby 34
Archibald Battersby 5
Mary Battersby 4
Dorothy Battersby 3
Alexander Battersby 1 Month
Jane Churchill 14

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 12:47

Must admit I am stumped! The following is on military records, father Charles. They are on census below, and Charles is a police constable.


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Frank Stewart Battersby
Name: Frank Stewart Battersby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 19
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 1016
Regiment Name: 17th Batt.Middlesex Regiment
Number of images: 8



1911 England Census about Frank Battersby
Name: Frank Battersby
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 81 Flood Street, Chelsea
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Chelsea
Registration District Number: 4
Sub-registration district: Chelsea South

Charles Battersby 41 Birth Place: Stonehouse, Devonshire, England
Marie Battersby 41
Frank Battersby 11
James Battersby 9
Caroline Ryder 22
Walter Gidley 22
George Taylor 33
William Hearn 25
Elizabeth Robertson 2

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 13:11

Hazarding a guess:

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Batterby John Frederick Stoke D 5b 582
BATTERSBY John Frederick Stoke D. 5b 582
Davis Mary Elizabeth Stoke D. 5b 582
Murch Francis Edward Stoke D. 5b 582
Nichols Annie Leah Stoke D 5b 582



1891 England Census
Name: Frederick J W Battersby police constable
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Stonehouse, Devon, England

Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Stoke Damerel

Philip H Davis 54
Fred H H Davis 16
Beatrice M C Davis 12
Mary A E Battersby 28
Martha A H Pope 26
James H H Pope 4
Frederick J W Battersby 29
Emily May B Battersby 13
James H H Pope
Martha A H Pope

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 4 Nov 2012 13:21

This is the baptism you have found?

Name: Frank Stewart Battersby
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Sep 1899
Father's Name: John Frederick Battersby
Mother's name: Elizabeth Battersby
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Kensington St Jude
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Is it the Birth cert you have got the parents names or this Baptism record?

The following Baptism has John Frederick & Susan as the parents, the address of 7 Westerby Mews is the same as is the occupation.... Has John's wife Susan died?

Or are there several members of the same family living in 1 house?

Name: Archibald Howard Battersby
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1896
Father's Name: John Frederick Battersby
Mother's name: Susan Kathleen Battersby
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Kensington St Jude
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

T xx

:-D

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 4 Nov 2012 13:25

OK, something isn't right here.....

Name: Alexander Henry Battersby
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1901
Father's Name: Frederick Battersby
Mother's name: Susan Battersby
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Kensington St Jude
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

The father's occupation and the address are the same?

I would wager Frank Stewart Battersby was born earlier and Baptised later? Maybe there was an error by the vicar on the Baptism record.?

Do you have the actual Birth certificate?? If you do not, i would suggest actually buying a copy!

OK, so the birth was in 1899..... this would lead me to think you have 2 families living there?? Cousins?

Births Sep 1899 - Battersby Frank Stewart Kensington 1a 164

Tracey x

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 4 Nov 2012 13:28

Here's a 3rd female names as the mother of John Frederick's children!!.

Name: Ida May Battersby
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1896
Father's Name: John Frederick Battersby
Mother's name: Catherine Battersby
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Kensington St Jude
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Same address, same occupation!

All of the above confirm the 1911 census found by Jan :-)

T xx

:-D

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 14:27

Maybe the Catherine above is Susan Kathleen?
Whatever else I think this is a very complicated bunch of people!
I haven't located a birth rec for John Frederick Battersby, can anyone else see it? Or found them in 1871/81 come to that.
Jan

Flip

Flip Report 4 Nov 2012 14:36

The only one I can see is in Hampshire, not Devon:

Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BATTERSBY John Frederick Portsea 2b 421

Eddie

Eddie Report 4 Nov 2012 14:40

thanks for your help it is very confusing I think ill have to get the marriage cert for frank regards eddie

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 14:45

I am chasing my tail, but I wondered if this is the marriage of Charles and Marie from the 1911 census above. This woman has the same name as the one possibly marrying John Frederick in 1880 (yes, I know her name should be Battersby if the same person!). Charles' middle name is def. Alfred (on 1896 Frank's military record).

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
Battersby Charles Alfred St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 953
Bridgeman Frederick St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 953
Davis Mary Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 953
Moore Emily St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 953

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Nov 2012 14:51

All the baptisms, except Frank and James, are covered on the 1911 that brummiejan has posted above. Living with parents Frederick and Kate.

Archibald Howard
Ida May
Marie Florence Louise
Dorothy Malvina
Alexander Henry

Frederick Battersby married Kate Hake 18 94 Paddington

On the 1871 census, Kate is called Susan.

Frederick and Kate claim (on the 1911 census) to have been married and having had 7 children, all of whom are strill alive.

Looks like Frederick Battersby was married to a Mary Davies before he married Kate.

1891 census

Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Devonport

Philip H Davis - head
54
Fred H H Davis - son
16
Beatrice M C Davis - dau.
12
Mary A E Battersby - dau.
28
Martha A H Pope - dau.
26
James H H Pope - g.son
4
Frederick J W Battersby - s in law - Stonehouse
29
Emily May B Battersby - s in law's sister - Stonehouse
13

Sorry brummiejan, I see you've already posted this.




brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 14:58

Another query! Can anybody see a birth record for any other Frank Stewart Battersby because I can't. So where is the 1896 registration?
I am starting to cook up a story of wife-swapping and/or bigamy in my head, somebody stop me!!

ADDED Actually, I suspect Frank was born 1900 and fabricated his birth year to join up!

Jan

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 Nov 2012 15:11

Following Jan's comment above, Frank Stewart Battersby's service records state he was discharged 1915 for having made a mis-statement about his age.

Address was 81 Flood Street, Chelsea.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Nov 2012 15:17

This is the only Battersby I can find registered in Devon.

What about Frederick and John Frederick?

Name: Charles Alfred Battersby
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Registration district: East Stonehouse
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 327 (click to see others on page)


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 15:23

Well spotted MarieCeleste!
So - do we think there are 2 Frank Stewart Battersby's or just one? I am starting to wonder if Frank was child to John but given to Charles and Marie as they had lost so many children?
Probably fantasising but it wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Nov 2012 15:25

Might be of interest, don't know:

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
BATTERSBY James Clarence Chelsea 1a 406

Jan

Eddie

Eddie Report 6 Nov 2012 13:12

Thank you one and all for the info regards eddie