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Ann

Ann Report 26 Nov 2012 16:18

Good afternoon all,
Well after years of searching for James Thomas Norris born 1874 from Greenwich Kent in the 1911 census I have finally found him!!!
I found him on Ancestry under birth place " Harlton London " but unfortunately his wife Alice Norris born Stanton 1877 from Deptford and their son James Thomas Norris born 1901 remain aloof!
Any help would be so welcomed.
My thanks for your time in reading my thread,
Kind regards Ann.

Dea

Dea Report 26 Nov 2012 16:28

Could you please post the 1911 census which you have found him on because I can't seem to see it at the moment.

Thanks,

Dea x

Andrew

Andrew Report 26 Nov 2012 16:31

1911 England Census
about James Norris
Name: James Norris
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Harlton
Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Lombard Rd
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 2700
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Manser 38
Grace Manser 8
Charlie Manser 4
James Norris 36
Hilda Wilson 0




Andy

Ann

Ann Report 26 Nov 2012 16:39

Thank you for your kind replies Andrew and Dea. Sorry just had an unexpected phone call so now need to go out for about an hour.
Will reply as soon as.
Kind regards Ann.

Barry

Barry Report 26 Nov 2012 16:40


I think this is the family you are looking for

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/24873583/person/1572912061?ssrc=

Dea

Dea Report 26 Nov 2012 16:52

Thank you Andy - I now see why I couldn't find him on FMP - They have him mistranscribed as age 26 - born in 1885 !!! :-( :-S

Dea Xxx

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Nov 2012 17:26

FMP version:-
MASER, Annie Wife Married9 years F 38 1873 Caterham Surrey VIEW
MASER, Grace Daughter F 8 1903 School Sidcup Kent VIEW
MASER, Charlie Son M 4 1907 School Bromley Kent VIEW
NORRIS, James Boarder M 26 1885 Charlton VIEW
WILSON, Hilda Nurse Child F 1 (13 MONTHS) 1910 Hanwell VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2700 Reference: RG14PN2700 RG78PN92 RD28 SD5 ED14 SN278 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Greenwich East Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Greenwich Address: 2 Lombard Road County: London

...................He doesn't state that he is married, or single, so I'm wondering if he could actually be widowed?
...........................................................

????
Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Norris Alice 24 Brentford 3a 75
The district Brentford is in the county of Middlesex

.........where were the couple living in 1901?

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Nov 2012 17:30

for info:-

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Burtenshaw Alice Clara Camberwell 1d 1505
Holloway Arthur Camberwell 1d 1505
xxxx Norris James Thomas Camberwell 1d 1505
xxxx Stanton Alice Camberwell 1d 1505
The district Camberwell spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Surrey
....................................................................................

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Thomas Norris
Name: James Thomas Norris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Apr 1901
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1901
Father's Name: James Thomas Norris
Occupation:- Labourer
Mother's Name: Alice Norris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- 53 Glenthorp Street

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Nov 2012 17:44

1901?
1901 England Census about E Alice Norris
Name: E Alice Norris
[Alice Norris]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Norris
Gender: Female
Where born: Deptford, London, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of James) General Laborer

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 222
Piece: 542
Folio: 55
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Norris 25 born: Greenwich, London
E Alice Norris 24
Alice L Norris 4 born: Greenwich, London
Rosina D 3/12 born: Greenwich, London

.............if this is the same family, have you tried looking for the other two children in 1911?

EDIT:-

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Sarah Norris
Name: Alice Sarah Norris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1896
Father's Name: James Thomas Norris
Occupation:- Labourer
Mother's Name: Alice Norris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- 63 (looks like) Selcroft Road
.............................................................................
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Rosina Norris
Name: Rosina Norris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Jun 1899
Father's Name: James Norris
Occupation:- Labourer
Mother's Name: Alice Norris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- 30 Glenthorp Road

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Nov 2012 18:10

Maybe the family split up as this looks to be the two girls in 1911?


1911 England Census about Rosina Norris
Name: Rosina Norris
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Scholar
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Nazareth House, Home For The Aged, Industrial School For R C Girls, Isleworth
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 28-37
Piece: 6833
.....................................................................................

1911 England Census about Alice Norris
Name: Alice Norris
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Scholar
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Nazareth House, Home For The Aged, Industrial School For R C Girls, Isleworth
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 28-37
Piece: 6833

.........................could very well be, then that mother did die and father couldn't look after the girls on his own????

NOTE:-
Just realised that the girls above are living Reg.Dist. Brentford and the death for mother Alice is also Reg.Dist. Brentford, so it all seems to fit together nicely, so well worth looking into more closely.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Nov 2012 18:33

Sorry, not having much luck with son James Thomas Norris :-(

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 27 Nov 2012 04:59

from Public Family tree on ancestry ...................treat with caution, dod not add to your tree unless you can confirm the details.

But it does some ideas for the son James Thomas


There is a photograph of James T with sisters Alice and Rosina


Norris/Gallin Family Tree
Owner: rivergirl104


James Thomas 1901 Norris
Birth 1901 in Greenwich, Kent, , England
Death 1959 in Hertfordshire, England

Parents

James Thomas 1874 Norris 1874 – 1918
Alice Stanton 1877 – 1929

Siblings

Alice Sarah Norris1897 –
Rosina Norris1899 –



Marriage: 1933 - Hertfordshire
Spouse: Ann Fitzgerald



????from another tree, wife possibly Ann Winifred Raikes nee Fitzgerald 1903 – 1948




so according to these trees, Alice Norris nee Stanton did not die until 1929, Deptford, London




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 27 Nov 2012 05:46

for information ............

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Thomas Norris

Name: James Thomas Norris
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Alice Stanton
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Aug 1896
Parish: Camberwell Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Jessey Norris
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Stanton
Register Type: Parish Register


Fathers' occupations:- William Jessey Norris, Labourer; Samuel Stanton, Husler (??)


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Nov 2012 08:01

NORRIS, JAMES THOMAS
Rank:Private
Service No:6970
Date of Death:12/08/1918
Age:43
Regiment/Service:East Surrey Regiment
4th Bn. transf. to (279434) Labour Corps
Grave Reference XII. C. 14.
Cemetery BROOKWOOD MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Husband of Alice Norris, of 79, Giffin St., Deptford, London.

Chris :)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Alice Norris
Year: 1926
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Deptford
Street Address: 79 Giffin Street-

Name: Alice Norris
Year: 1930
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Deptford
Street Address: 79 Giffin Street

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Nov 2012 08:49

1901 (from Catherine above, this is FMP!)

KORRIS, James Head Married M 25 1876 General Laborer
Greenwich, London
KORRIS, Alice Wife Married F 24 1877
Deptford, London
KORRIS, Alice L Daughter F 4 1897
Greenwich, London
KORRIS, Rosina Daughter F 3 (3 YRS) 1898
Greenwich, London
Piece: 542
Folio: 55
Page: 35
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Municipal Borough:
Address: 53, Glenforth Street, Greenwich
County: London

Chris :)


Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
STANTON Alice Greenwich 1d 856


1881
STANTON, Samuel Head Married M 44 1837 Ground Labourer
Manchester, Lancashire
STANTON, Mary A Wife Married F 40 1841
Crewherne, Somerset
STANTON, Samuel Son Single M 19 1862 Railway Porter
Crewherne, Somerset
STANTON, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Susan Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Emily Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Rosina Daughter Single F 5 1876
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Alice Daughter Single F 4 1877
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, George Son Single M 2 1879
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Annie Daughter Single F 0 1881
Deptford, Kent
ROBERTS, Wm Boarder Married M 21 1860 General Labourer
Deptford, Kent
IVERY, Wm Visitor Married M 45 1836
IVERY, Victor Visitor Single M 8 1873
Piece: 711
Folio: 104
Page: 42
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Wilson Street, St Paul Deptford
County: London, Kent

1891
STANTON, Samuel Head Married M 52 1839 Labourer
STANTON, Mary A Wife Married F 50 1841
Crewkerne, Somersetshire
STANTON, Susan Daughter Single F 19 1872 Shirt Machinist
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Emily Daughter Single F 16 1875 Shirt Machinist
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Rose Daughter F 15 1876 Shirt Machinist
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Alice Daughter F 14 1877 Shirt Machinist
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, George Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Annie Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, Ellen Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
STANTON, James Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
Piece: 500
Folio: 138
Page: 46
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Wilson Street, St Paul Deptford
County: London

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Nov 2012 09:30

The tree on ancestry has Alice as having died in 1929 but these are the only deaths in 1929 for an Alice Norris:-

Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
Norris Alice 84 Chorley 8e 920
Norris Alice 71 Reading 2c 728
Norris Alice 60 Wandsworth 1d 985
Norris Alice E 44 Lewisham 1d 2047
Norris Alice E 68 Southampton 2c 20
Norris Alice S 51 Greenwich 1d 1737

Deaths Jun 1929 (>99%)
Norris Alice 72 Canterbury 2a 1215
Norris Alice D 59 Wandsworth 1d 474

Deaths Sep 1929 (>99%)
Norris Alice E 18 Maidenhead 2c 405

...............the only one in Lewisham would be too young and the only one in Greenwich has a middle name S ?

.................................and Chris has her still in Deptford in 1930?

Dea

Dea Report 27 Nov 2012 09:42

I still have a strong feeling that the 1902 death is her !

Why else would her children be in those places and her husband living away?

Are we absolutely certain that the 1918 death for James is the correct James?

I know he has a wife called Alice but there must be other James's married to an Alice???

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Nov 2012 09:56

1911
STANTON, Mary Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Pensioner Somerset Clapton Crewkerne
RG number: RG14
Piece: 14950
Reference: RG14PN14950 RG78PN905 RD319 SD5 ED4 SN228
Registration District: Bristol
Sub District: St George
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Bristol
Address: 3 Carlton Park Upper Easton Bristol
County: Gloucestershire
(says 9 children born, 7 living, 2 died)

Chris :)

http://www.mygenesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1220427?d=asc

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1220893

Ann

Ann Report 28 Nov 2012 11:27

Good morning all,
Firstly please I must apologise for not being able to reply to you all sooner, and secondly may I thank you for you time in helping me.
Ok then Alice Norris was born Alice Sarah Stanton (and yes I came across her down as Alice E Norris) and she did die in 1929. Daughters were ALice Sarah Norris born 1896 and Rosina Norris born (1899) Son James Thomas Norris was born just after the census was taken in .
All the above information you all kindly found, I already knew, but for some reason Alice Norris and her son James Thomas Norris Seem very aloof in 1911!!! , And it has become somewhat of (a dog with a bone ) thing with me.
Again many, many thanks to you all for your time and very kind help in assisting me with my so called (dog with a bone).
Thank you all, Ann.

Ann

Ann Report 28 Nov 2012 11:50

Hi Chris,
Chris I see that you have Alice Norris in 1930 in the Electoral Reg I would be sure that would be the Daughter of Alice, who as you know was also called Alice.
Again many thanks for helping me.
Kind regards Ann.