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Potty Report 27 Nov 2012 12:01

Emma, can you post the 1911 census for James? I cannot find it.


GlasgowLass Report 27 Nov 2012 12:17

I think I see where the problem lies.
Eringobragh has already posted this.....

.Residents of a house 20 in Irishtown (New Ross Urban, Wexford)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Hayes Catherine 50 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic b Kilkenny
Hayes Patrick 27 Male Son Roman Catholic b New Ross
Hayes James 23 Male Son Roman Catholic ** b New Ross

The original census does say that this James was 23yrs old but his occupation is SCHOLAR.
Was he 13yrs old?

Emma Louise

Emma Louise Report 27 Nov 2012 12:28

Sorry Anne my Grandmother had a copy of James Hayes baptism cert (Her father) and MC to Alice Bowen but all other information has been given to me by a long distant relative.

Potty: James Hayes was a Boarder in 16 Parade, Neath in the 1911 census

Thanks Anne I will look at that census as James would have been around 13years old in 1901


GlasgowLass Report 27 Nov 2012 12:32

Apologies Emma,
I honestly thought that all your info came from your contact.
As your grandmother was in possession of this baptismal cert, I see no reason to doubt that this was her husband's.

Emma Louise

Emma Louise Report 27 Nov 2012 12:41

Sorry for the misunderstanding I should have said at the start thank you again for your help I will look at the 1901 census as this sounds like the right James Hayes



Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Nov 2012 14:48

Emma.....If grandma has the Baptismal Cert then take it as read that is the correct info
.For the time period in question those (RC) travelling from Ireland usually took with them a copy of their Baptismal Cert.which would show the details from the original Baptismal Reg. Baptism took precedence over everything it was needed for all manner of things...especially marriage....equally the date of the Baptism would be an indicator of the Birth date...Baptism was done as soon as possible following the Birth.
Assuming they were married in Church then the details of his Baptism and perhaps Confirmation would /should be recorded in the Marriage Register at the Church they were married in Neath.A lot depended on the PP at the time exactly what info.he required and what he actually recorded.
Another thing to consider is that he may have needed permission to marry from a senior member of family given he was under the age of 21...that would also show in the Church Reg.but not on MC.


GlasgowLass Report 27 Nov 2012 17:25

Hi Eringobragh,
James and Alice married in Neath 1912.
Although Emma says the marriage states he was 20yrs old, his baptism cert was in his wife's possession stating he was born in 1889.
This suggests was around 23-24yrs at time of marriage.