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Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:15

Evening All

Hoping i may be able to progress with some assistance with my Dingwall ancestry.

Gertrude c1887, Charles c1890 and Harold Dingwall c1897 are the children of John and his wife Margaret Wedekind. Possible marriage or deaths would be appreciated. Thanks

Liverpool area

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 17:19

For information only - Is this the correct family in 1911? :-

1911 census transcription details for: 18 Goodacre Road Walton Liverpool

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN22360 RG78PN1321 RD455 SD4 ED4 SN232
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Walton
Parish: Walton on the Hill
Enum. District: 4

Address: 18 Goodacre Road Walton Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SIMPSON, Jno Head Married M 36 1875 Ships Steward Lpool Lancs England
SIMPSON, Margret Ann Wife Married 8 years F 44 1867 Lpool Lancs England
DINGWALL, Gertrude Stepdaughter Single F 23 1888 Under Checker Lpool Lancs England
DINGWALL, Charles Stepson Single M 20 1891 Apprentice Engineer Lpool Lancs England
DINGWALL, Harold Stepson M 14 1897 Office Boy Lpool Lancs England
SIMPSON, Lillian Daughter F 7 1904 Fazakerley Lancs England

EDIT - Note that Gertrude, Charles and Harold are Margaret's children and step-children to her husband.

Kath. x

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:20

For reference

1891 England Census
about Gertrude Dingwall Name: Gertrude Dingwall
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Dingwall
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann Dingwall
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Walton on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walton on the Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2978
Folio: 104
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
John Dingwall 29
Margaret Ann Dingwall 24
Gertrude Dingwall 4
Charles Beresford Dingwall 10/12



Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:20

Yes thank you but i am only interested in Gertrude, Charles and Harold.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:22

Yes but to find them we need the middle names if any, which is why the census details are important :-)

Likely:

Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Bamford Bertha M Dingwall W. Derby 8b 738
Dingwall Charles B Bamford W.Derby 8b 738

Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:24

Thank you for that RamblingRose

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:25

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
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DINGWALL Gertrude Cameron W.Derby 8b 293

doesn't look as if she married

Deaths Mar 1950 (>99%)
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Dingwall Gertrude C 62 Crosby 10c 103

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 17:26

Is this Gertrude's birth:-


Name: DINGWALL, Gertrude Cameron
Registration district: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 293

If so then it looks like she didn't marry. There is this death:-

Name: DINGWALL, Gertrude C
Registration district: Crosby
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1950
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 62
Volume no: 10C
Page no: 103

Kath. x

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:28

This should help when looking for Harold's death

iverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Harold Dingwall Name: Harold Dingwall
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1896
Baptism Date: 22 Nov 1896
Parish: Everton St Chad with Christ Church
Father's Name: John Dingwall
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann Dingwall

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:34

Possible? as I can't see a death for Harold

Probate

Harold Dingwall of 54 Prince Edward Ave, Denton lancs...died 4th sept 1942 on War Service, effects to Rose Mitchell spinster

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 17:36

There is this army death that would match Rose's find:-

Name: DINGWALL, Harold
Unit: Royal Army Service Corps
Rank: Driver
Number: T/10677501
Year: 1942
Volume: 12
Page: 93
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1939 to 1948)

Kath. x

Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:36

Oh thank you - is that showing on probate on ancestry

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:38

Yes it is Mark

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 17:39

This from the Army Roll of Honour:-

Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945

Name: Harold DINGWALL

Rank: Driver

Initials: H

Birthplace: Manchester

Residence: Manchester

Branch at death: Other Corps, Etc

Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Army Service Corps

Branch at 01/09/39:

Regiment, Corps etc.:

Number: 10677501

Date died: 4 September 1942

Theatre of war: Middle East

Kath. x

Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:40

Much appreciated for all your help

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 29 Dec 2012 17:41

Going back to Charles a moment there is one child I think

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Dingwall Arthur B Bamford W.Derby 8b 541

Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:42

Yes i noticed that one ;)

jax

jax Report 29 Dec 2012 17:43

Says Harold was 36 on cwgc site

This one

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Harold Dingwall
Name: Harold Dingwall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 491 (click to see others on page)


DINGWALL, HAROLD
Rank:DriverService No:T/10677501Date of Death:04/09/1942Age:36Regiment/Service:Royal Army Service CorpsGrave ReferenceXII. F. 16.CemeteryEL ALAMEIN WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:

Son of James Fredrick and Elizabeth Ellen Dingwall; husband of K. Dingwall, of Audenshaw, Lancashire.

Mark

Mark Report 29 Dec 2012 17:43

I have sent a message to some on GR with a possible connection just slightly out on the dates

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 17:49

Perhaps we have found the wrong Harold as it gives his parents as James Frederick and Elizabeth Ellen Dingwall of Audenshaw.

Kath. x