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Politoff/Politov family in France.

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Sappho

Sappho Report 3 Jan 2013 21:43

Happy New Year to all you Genes People - All the very best for 2013.

Searching for any connection (alive or deceased) for my family in France.

Spelling of the name may change, but mainly searching for a male family member. Unable to give name as waiting for Russian archives to confirm family forenames, but likely one deceased and buried somewhere in Northern France.

Any help would be appreciated. Have searched myself various cemetery listings in France, but due to geography and language problems - I am unable to pin point.

This one is a task, but thought it worth a try.

I am aware a family member died in France approx. 1950's or late 1940's.

Many thanks to you wonderful helpers.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 4 Jan 2013 01:04

It's afternoon in NZ so just off out now and will look in later tonight.

Many thanks.

Sappho

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Jan 2013 01:09

the only Politov I can find on the census

Georgi Michealovich POLITOV
11 May 1911 - 12 July 1985 (Ancestral File Number: 24KK-N9Q)

Georgi Michealovich POLITOV
birth: 11 May 1911
Kamuishino, Volgagrad, , Russia
death: 12 July 1985
Apsheronsk, Apsheronsk, Krasnodar, Russia
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spouse:
Pelageja Romanovna KUZMINA
birth: 25 November 1911
death: 21 June 1968


Sappho

Sappho Report 4 Jan 2013 11:01

Hello,

Thank you so much. This person is probably a relative, but not the person I am looking for.
George.

We can say that the person is possibly a Anastasiy Mikhailovich or Alexander Mikhailovich who I seek. There is no doubt that Georgi Michaelovich Politov is part of the family I am seeking.

We are trying to establish the brother who went to France and reappeared after WW2 as a possible displaced person.

The information you have given is much appreciated, but can you say where you obtained this from.

Thank you AnnCardiff.

Will hang on for a while, then I am off to bed.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 4 Jan 2013 19:49

I should add - the family name is Politov.

Many thanks,

Sappho

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Jan 2013 23:51

got the info from the free Mormon LDS site - www.familysearch.org

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Jan 2013 23:55

Alexander Mikhailovitch
1 April 1866 - 1934 View Individual Summary
Alexander Mikhailovitch
birth: 1 April 1866
Tbilisi, Russia
death: 1934
United States
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Mikhail Nikolayevitch Mikhailovitch
birth: 1832
Russia
death: 1909
Russia
Olga Fedorovna
birth: 1839
Russia
death: 1891
Russia



Additional Information for Alexander Mikhailovitch
Citing This Record
"International Genealogical Index (IGI)", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/M84D-ZKY : accessed 2013-01-04), entry for Alexander Mikhailovitch.

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Jan 2013 23:57

Georgy Mikhailovitch death: 1918

Sergey Mikhailovitch death: 1918

Alexander Mikhailovitch birth: 1 April 1866
death: 1934

Nikholay Mikhailovitch death: 1918

Mikhail Nikolayevitch Mikhailovitch
birth: 1832
Russia
death: 1909
Russia
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More informationmarriage: 1865
Russia

spouse: (show children)
Olga Fedorovna
birth: 1839
marriage: 1865
death: 1891



Additional Information for Mikhail Nikolayevitch Mikhailovitch

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 00:01

Alexander Mikhailovitch
1866 - 1933 (Ancestral File Number: 50V7-1PB) View Individual Summary
Alexander Mikhailovitch
birth: 1866
St Petersburg, St Petersburg, Russia, Russia
death: 1933

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CD number: 58

spouse:
Zenia Grand Duchess Of Russia
birth: 1875
death: 1960



Additional Information for Alexander Mikhailovitch
Citing This Record
"Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9CCJ-FGK : accessed 2013-01-04), entry for Alexander Mikhailovitch.

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Submission
submission id:MM9R-79X
person count:195390

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 00:02

name: Zenia Grand Duchess Of Russia (AFN: 50V7-18M)
gender: female
birth: 1875
St Petersburg, St Petersburg, Russia, Russia
death: 1960

CD number: 58

Parents
father: Aleksandr III Czar Of Russia (AFN: 50N2-F4K)
mother: Mariya Princess Of Denmark Czarine Russia (AFN: 50MH-X9V)

Marriages (1)
spouse: Alexander Mikhailovitch (AFN: 50V7-1PB)

Sappho

Sappho Report 5 Jan 2013 01:31

Ann

I am overwhelmed with this information, but before I get carried away I need to confirm that Alexander Mikhailovitch was Alexander Mikhailovitch POLITOV.

The Russian naming system indicates no connection, but I need to get it confirmed.

I am so very, very grateful once again to you for the information regardless if we have a close connection. Today (of all days) when I have received my letters from Moscow Archives confirming my family. Due to the uprising years my father and his twin sister's records are lost, but we have news of the marriages and births of my family.

I think we are not 'grand enough' - this is unlikely to be my family as they are NOT Politov/Politoff. How exciting though that you should find such information.

Thank you again.

Will keep looking. It is important for me to find the French family as it was my grandmother's brother and we need a first name to confirm.

You are so appreciated.

Thanks again

Sappho

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 04:26

my pleasure :-) :-)

Sappho

Sappho Report 5 Jan 2013 05:49

Hi again Ann,

Where are you? that is are you on my timeline? (NZ Summertime)

Sappho

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 10:54

Cardiff, South Wales, UK - cold and miserable rainy UK

Ann XX

Sappho

Sappho Report 5 Jan 2013 17:18

Burrrrr.

Well you certainly should be warm for what you have found out.

The Politov name appears in the Moscow directories in 1901 -1914 and there was only a handful - all related. I am so wanting to find the names of my grandmother's brothers born in Moscow. The family from the Crimea have been identified in Odessa and the coming to Russia where other children were born.

The uprising years showed they moved out of the troubled city and into other parts of Europe and the world. The brother I seek appears (from stories told to me as a child) moved to France or found himself in that country probably due to war or may even have been there prior to WW2. We know he died there, but no death or burial information. This is what I seek if, at all possible. It may be the name has changed to Politoff from the original spelling or even angalised to (??).

Your information has been most interesting and I have searched the names of the Grand Duke, but I know this is not my family.

Thank you and let me know if anything else comes to mind.

Keep warm Ann.

Regards,
Sappho

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 17:29

I have the heating on!!! Hoping that someone else will come on here and find something - there are a lot of researchers with far better knowledge

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 17:31

just found this one

Sergei Petrovich Politov
birth: 1935
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1957

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More information Peter Politov
birth: 1902
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1942

Daria Terentiyevna Krayeva
birth: 1899
Udenky, Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1947


AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 17:32

Peter Politov
1902 - 1942 View Individual Summary
Valentin Petrovich Politov birth: 1938
death: 1952

Sergei Petrovich Politov birth: 1935
death: 1957

Nikolay Petrovich Politov birth: 1930
death: 27 May 1998

Peter Politov
birth: 1902
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1942

more

More informationmarriage: 1929
Vyatsky Region, Russia

spouse: (show children)
Daria Terentiyevna Krayeva
birth: 1899
marriage: 1929
death: 1947

Politov




Additional Information for Peter Politov
Citing This Record
"International Genealogical Index (IGI)", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MVDB-Y3R : accessed 2013-01-05), entry for Peter Politov.

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 17:32

name: Daria Terentiyevna Krayeva
gender: female
birth: 1899
Udenky, Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1947

marriage: 1929
Vyatsky Region, Russia

Marriages (1)
spouse: Peter Politov
marriage: 1929
Vyatsky Region, Russia
Hide children (3)

child 1: Valentin Petrovich Politov
gender: male
birth: 1938
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1952


child 2: Sergei Petrovich Politov
gender: male
birth: 1935
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 1957


child 3: Nikolay Petrovich Politov
gender: male
birth: 1930
Vyatsky Region, Russia
death: 27 May 1998

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2013 17:39

digging around the internet, found this lot which does seem to have a connection - it's from Ancestry


Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
naptos (View posts) Posted: 18 Aug 2011 5:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames:

Hi Maria

There are address books for Moscow (on internet) for 1914 and 1917. they are called "vsya moskva".

I did a bit of research and noticed that there were von Rimscha in Moscow in both 1914 and 1917 but first and patronimic names do not match. they also had a "???????? ??? ?????" , like a department store under their name.

there are also few Politovs in Moscow as well. very interesting - they are not manufacturers of glass but are stated as sellers of mirrors.

sounds promising. if interested I can give you more details.

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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
naptos (View posts) Posted: 18 Aug 2011 11:47PM GMT
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Hi Maria

The following appears in both address books for 1914 and 1917.

???.?????. ????????, ????????? 31, ????????. ????.

you have mentioned Afanasyevich. but here we have Anastavyevich. which is very close. could be typo. i have never seen anastasij as a male name. but everything is possible.

There is no Maria in the book.

I think you have asked about where to find information about life in Moscow during 1910- 1920. A lot happened, first world war, revolution. I actually went to the local libraries and borrowed books about this time. Then internet. You will be surprised how many books, essays, memoirs are published on internet.
You will a huge insight in that time.

Do you need info on Rimsha?
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
mj7777 (View posts) Posted: 19 Aug 2011 7:04AM GMT
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
naptos (View posts) Posted: 19 Aug 2011 11:33AM GMT
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Hi Maria

I do not have any relationship to your family. I just want to help people because I can read and write both languages, Russian and English. I have also have done research as I have russian background.

I came across few Russian genealogical websites and can easily do a quick search.

re Politov- translation from russian. THE name of person closest to your relative is Mihail Anastafyevich(patronimc name, ie name of his father - probably Anastas)Politov, living at Myasnitskaya Street , house 31, mirror seller.

re von Rimsha - there are 3 entries (2 appears in both years): Gergard Mihailovich, Trehsvyatitelskij pereulok(like street)14, trading house "Rimsha G"

and his daugther Elena? ( the name is shortened for the purposes of the book to two letters EL)Gergardovna (patronimic name , her father's)Politova. She has a "female gymnasium of L.N. Valitskoj "against her name. probably studied there.

If you want to write to Moscow archives, you have to do it in russian and there is a fee involved obviously. in your case, you might have some success as they need the name of the street where the person lived.

Nothing else came on internet (in russian). i will keep looking. something might pop up.

Also Friedrich von Rimsha obviously came from Germany as many germans invited by Catherine 2. Do a bit of research , may be you can find him and his ancestors in Germany ( check Germany message board, www.ancestry.de)

Good luck.
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
mj7777 (View posts) Posted: 19 Aug 2011 3:41PM GMT
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
naptos (View posts) Posted: 20 Aug 2011 12:00AM GMT
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Hi Maria

Tsentral'nyi arkhiv goroda Moskvy (TsAGM)
[Central Archive of the City of Moscow]


Agency: Glavnoe arkhivnoe upravlenie goroda Moskvy
[Main Archival Administration of the City of Moscow]

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Address: 117393, Moscow, ul. Profsoiuznaia, 80

E-mail: mosarh@post.mos.ru

Website: http://mosarchiv.mos.ru; http://www.rusarchives.ru/state/cmam/

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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
mj7777 (View posts) Posted: 21 Aug 2011 9:31PM GMT
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
naptos (View posts) Posted: 22 Aug 2011 7:56AM GMT
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Hi Maria

I am not located in Moscow so am unable to help you further. I have noticed on this forum( under Russia,General, search "Moscow") there was a message from a person who can actualy perform the genealogical search in Moscow.

Good luck. I will keep looking for von Rimscha. If anything will let you know.

TS
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Re: Politov/Politova/Politoff
nigleroger (View posts) Posted: 24 Aug 2011 7:40AM GMT
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Hello, there seems to be a change in Ancestry in the way we reply to each other. This has only happened in the last day or so, but here goes.

I have not been able to locate the person who has a message that they can perform genealogical search in Moscow. could you take me through the steps to find this. Have spent some time trying.

Many thanks, Maria