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Maria and Rose Driscoll, Wigan, 1911

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Jimbob86

Jimbob86 Report 9 Jan 2013 12:39

Dear all,

Another family mystery, this time on my Mother's side.

I have been trying to find some information about the above people (Maria and Rose Driscoll). I'm pretty sure they are the children from my great-grandfather's (William Driscoll 1878 - 1945) first marriage.

The story goes that William Driscoll could be quite unpredictable shall we say and when his first wife (who I think may have been Caroline Vine 1881 - 1907) was dying she asked a Nun to take the kids away from him somewhere that he wouldn't know about.

Acting on this information I have managed to find a Maria and Rose Driscoll, born in Stepney, London living in Greenfield Billinge Chapel End in Wigan which seems to be some kind of school or maybe orphanage. However, I seem to have come to a brick wall now.

If there are any living relatives of Rose or Maria who may know of this story, or any nice people out there who are just willing to help, I would be eternally grateful.

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

James

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jan 2013 12:57

Just to give some idea of ages

1911
Name: Rose Driscoll
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil parish: Billinge, Higher End, Billinge and Chapel End
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration district: Billinge
ED, institution, or vessel: 6-7
Piece: 23087



Maria born 1900 Stepney


Have you found Maria on 1901 census ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jan 2013 13:00

1901 just for info

Name: Maria Driscoll
Age: 3/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Driscoll
Mother's Name: Caroline Driscoll
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 177
Piece: 320
Folio: 157
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William Driscoll 24
Caroline Driscoll 20
Maria Driscoll 3/12


Jimbob86

Jimbob86 Report 9 Jan 2013 13:35

Yes thank you I had already found Maria in 1901 and I think I've found Caroline's death being registered in 1904. I'm looking to find out more what happened to Maria and Rose after 1911. Thanks again!

Reggie

Reggie Report 9 Jan 2013 15:00

Use freebmd to look for info about them.............

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Reggie

Reggie Report 9 Jan 2013 15:04

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Maria Driscoll
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1901
Father's Name: William Driscoll
Mother's Name: Caroline Driscoll
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Reggie

Reggie Report 9 Jan 2013 15:05

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: William John Driscoll
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 May 1902
Father's Name: William Driscoll
Mother's Name: Caroline Driscoll
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Philip
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 9 Jan 2013 16:03

Greenfields was a Roman Catholic School /orphanage run by the CCPS (Catholic Child Protection Soc.) and the Magdeline Sisters .It became an Approved School in the '70s..still standing..I believe its now called Nugent House Care.?

From various reports over the years..not somehwhere you want to read about if you had family there.

Wigan World website had lots written about it.

Many of the children under the CCPS ended up in Canada.."Home Children"...scheme .
May be worth checking the Data Base....

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 9 Jan 2013 16:39

Think I may have found them....

There was also another child a boy named Joseph...? Could be John mispelled.

They (If this is them) were under the Stepney Board of Guardians and the RC Emig.Soc.
They went out to Canada 1913....

Surname: DRISCOLL
Given Name: RoseAge: 8
Taken into Care by: StepneySending Agency: Catholic Emigration AssociationYear of Arrival: 1913
Source: Library and Archives CanadaReference: RG 76 C 4 a, British Children Emigrated to Canada by Authority of Boards of GuardiansPage: 106Microfilm: T-537Type of Record: Boards of Guardians
You can view the 3 on the Collectionscanada site.....
The Ship was The Corsican out of L'Pool....although I cannot find a Mary/Marie listed .


Kucinta

Kucinta Report 9 Jan 2013 16:54

I know you're asking after the children, but wondered if you had details of the marriage you mentioned :

Name: William Driscoll - hydraulic crane driver
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Caroline Vine
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Oct 1901
Parish: Stepney St Philip
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Driscoll - labourer
Spouse Father Name: Francis Vine - boot maker
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: John Driscoll Sarah Vine.

Groom's address: 48 John St.
Bride's address: 38 Clark St.

Jimbob86

Jimbob86 Report 11 Jan 2013 13:21

Thank you very much guys. All very interesting and helpful. I'll look into these links and if anyone's interested I'll post my findings.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 11 Jan 2013 13:28

The "Joseph " Driscoll aged 9yrs who travelled out went with the RC Group from St Edwards Boys Orphanage L'Pool....
If you think he may be yours I can let you have a copy of that party however it doesnt give much detail....

Margee

Margee Report 11 Jan 2013 13:49

Home Children (1869-1930)
Item Display
Return to results | Search | Search HelpSurname: DRISCOLLGiven Name: RoseAge: 8Sex: FShip: CorsicanYear of Arrival: 1913Departure Port: LiverpoolDeparture Date: 1913-07-23Arrival Port: QuebecArrival Date: 1913-08-01Party: The Catholic Emigration AssociationDestination: Ottawa, OntarioComments: Party of 40 Irish girls going to St. George's Home in OttawaSource: Library and Archives CanadaReference: RG 76 C1aMicrofilm: T-4801Type of Record: Passenger ListsGroup of Children Traveling Together

Flip

Flip Report 11 Jan 2013 14:04

Maria Driscoll
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Birth Date: abt 1899
Departure Date: 23 Jul 1913
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Corsican
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Official Number: 124191
Master: E Cook

With her on the passenger list is Rose Driscoll, 8.

Margee

Margee Report 11 Jan 2013 14:11

This Rose Ann ( not Amos) Driscoll who married John Francis Kearns (not Hearns) in Hull, Quebec in 1927 was the adopted daughter of Michael White & Catherine O'Donaghue. Could she be yours? Hull is just across the river from Ottawa.

Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about John Francis Hearns Name: John Francis Hearns
Spouse: Rose Amos Driscoll
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1927
Marriage Location: Hull, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Cathédrale Très-St-Rédempteur


Flip

Flip Report 11 Jan 2013 14:14

Their arrival in Canada, with her is Martha Driscoll, 14 - I think this should be Maria.

Rose Driscoll
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Date of Arrival: 1 Aug 1913
Vessel: Corsican
Search Ship Database: View the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4801

There is also another child Kathleen Driscoll (11) so not sure if she is also connected.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 11 Jan 2013 14:27

Joseph travelled out 20th August arriving 28th.. Liverpool to Quebec..on the Corsican

Flip

Flip Report 11 Jan 2013 14:30

A tree on Ancestry has Rose & Maria and their families - it's also on Mundia which is free to view, although you need to register.

http://www.mundia.com/gb/Tree/Family/31597966/18079093406

Added: The tree owner is the son of John Stanley Kearns, and grandson of Rose. He is an active member of Ancestry last logged on yesterday. If you want to contact him I can send a message through Ancestry just send me a PM with your e-mail address.

Jimbob86

Jimbob86 Report 21 Jan 2013 18:18

Flip that sounds amazing, I will PM you my e-mail address. I'm still not sure if all of this is right but it all sounds extremely promising so thank you all again for your time and help! :-)

Jimbob86

Jimbob86 Report 21 Jan 2013 18:26

Special thanks to Margee as well. Very interesting and informative stuff!