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Finding records between 1871 and 1881

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friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 17 Jan 2013 21:53

How can i find records between 1871 and 1881
Looking for Margaret thomas . on the 1871 census she is 12 years old living in Coychurch road Coity with her parents In 1881 she is with her parents in Nolton steet Bridgend . ,but where was she in between , as there are two now children John 2 years old and William Huxtable 1 month old .. I have the birth certificates and she is their mother .( not married) I am also trying to find where the father also John Huxtable was at that time . According to the family they were in Sutton farm , Cowbridge , but cannot find records.for them .

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Jan 2013 22:02

Don't the birth certificates tell exactly where the two boys were born? That would give you a starting place. Obviously from the 1881 census they were in the district.

It will be difficult finding any records for years in between the censuses. Perhaps the parish records might have something especially as the boys are illegitimate. You'll need to find where they are archived.


Ozi

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Jan 2013 22:04

1881 for reference.


1881 census transcription details for: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5331
Folio: 93
Page: 27
Reg. District: Bridgend
Sub District: Bridgend
Parish: Lower Coyty
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
THOMAS, John Head Married M 80 1801 Farm Labourer
Tavistock, Devon
THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1831
Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>THOMAS, Margaret Daughter Single F 22 1859 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Anne Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1867 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Catherine Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>HUXTABLE, John Grand Son Single M 2 1879
Cowbridge, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>HUXTABLE, William H Grand Son Single M 0 1881
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
SMITH, Jane Visitor Widow F 64 1817
Highworth, Wiltshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Jan 2013 22:10

This is Sutton Farm, but he could easily have worked here between census records.

1871 Census transcription details for: Sutton Farm, St Brides Major

National Archive Reference:
RG number RG10
Piece: 5419
Folio: 10
Page: 14
Reg. District: Bridgend
Sub District: Bridgend
Parish: St Brides Major
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Sutton Farm, St Brides Major
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DAVID, David Head M 64 1807 Glamorgan
DAVID, Mary Wife F 48 1823 Carmarthenshire
DAVID, Evan Son M 19 1852 Glamorgan
DAVID, Mary Daughter F 17 1854 Glamorgan
DAVID, Jenny Daughter F 16 1855 Glamorgan
DAVID, William Son M 12 1859 Glamorgan
DAVID, Hannah Daughter F 9 1862 Glamorgan
DAVID, David Son M 9 1862 Glamorgan


Same family here in 1881 as well.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 17 Jan 2013 22:11

Have you found the father in any other censuses?

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 17 Jan 2013 23:51

Been looking up census's. I have the 1901 Sutton farm with Head: Edward Thomas and Wife Jane Thomas with five Children. Also 1881 census with Edward and jane in Saint Athans
Story in the family is that John Huxtable was a gardener at the farm , but he was paid to claim the children as his ,when actually they were fathered by one of the Thomas family . . Either the Head of the house,or one of the sons .The 2 year old John on the 1881 census is my Great grandfather .
Now I am more confused as it seems the Thomas family were not at Sutton farm until after 1881 John was born in 1879
I have got his infomation on another thread here as i have been trying to find his wedding
Fourth february 1879 Cowbridge Alfred John ,
Father ,John Huxtable Gardener,
Mother ,Margaret Thomas , Domestic Servant
John Huxtable father , Cowbridge
M. Thomas ,mother Aber House Port Talbot
Registered 18th March
I'm guessing Aber house could have been a place for unmarried mothers. I asked about that on the Wales thread , but no one has been able to find any information about it .

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 00:02

1891 census

Household Information
Address Sutton Farm,
Parish Llandow
District Bridgend, Cowbridge
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Householder 1
Name Edward Thomas
Age 47
Estimated Year of Birth 1844
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Farmer
Birth Place Coychurch
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 2
Name Jane Thomas
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place St Bride Major
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 3
Name Charlotte Thomas
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Farmers Daughter
Birth Place St Bride Major
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 4
Name David Thomas
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farmers Son
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 5
Name Micah Thomas
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farmers Son
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 6
Name Mabel Thomas
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Farmers Daughter
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 7
Name William Thomas
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1877
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farmers Son
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 8
Name Hugh Thomas
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 9
Name Alice Thomas
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 10
Name Gwillim G Thomas
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1883
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 11
Name Kate Thomas
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 12
Name Alban E Thomas
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1885
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place St Athans
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 13
Name Margaret Thomas
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Llandow
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 14
Name Ellen David
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Birth Place Margam
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 15
Name Martha David
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Birth Place Margam
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 16
Name Edwin Kemp
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Farm Servant
Birth Place Llandow
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 17
Name William George
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Farm Servant
Birth Place Eglysbrewis
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 18
Name George Taylor
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Farm Servant
Birth Place Knighton
Birth County Radnorshire
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friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 00:29

I did put another reply here thanking you for the 1871 census but that reply disappeared. I didn't have that census because it's a different family .
you asked if I have found the father on any other census No, I haven't

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Jan 2013 08:45

Baptism (Find My Past website)

Forenames:Alfred John
Surname:Thomas
Baptism Year:1879
Baptism Month:May
Baptism Day:22
Place:Nolton
County:Glamorganshire
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:
Mothers Forenames:Margaret (Single Woman)
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(abode, Port Talbot)

Chris :)


Forenames:Margaret
Surname:Thomas
Baptism Year:1860
Baptism Month:Mar
Baptism Day:7
Place:Nolton
County:Glamorganshire
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:John (Labourer)
Mothers Forenames:Elizabeth
Page:
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
(abode, Bridgend)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Jan 2013 09:16

1881 ?
HUXTABLE, John Single M 27 1854 Gardener
St Ardales, Oxfordshire
Piece: 5276
Folio: 11
Page: 15
Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: Cardiff St John
Municipal Borough:
Address: Cardiff Arms, Broad Street, Cardiff St John
County: Glamorganshire

(not sure if near area!)

Chris :)

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 18 Jan 2013 09:25

Staff at Bridgend library were extremely helpful when I contacted them about locations in their broader area.
I don't know what resources they hold there, but they would probably be able to help in some way.

Gwyn

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Jan 2013 10:04

Chris, it's about 20 miles from Cardiff St John to Bridgend

Jude

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 10:45

Thanks for the information. Would there be any online records of when the Thomas family took over Sutton farm from the David family
House purchase ?.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Jan 2013 11:23

Sending a Thankyou to Jude.

Chris :)

google often throws up bits of info., or as advised Record Office, Library.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Jan 2013 13:00

The Cardiff Arms was a hotel...gave its name to the (later) stadium

The Cardiff Arms Hotel gave its name to Cardiff's famous sports stadium, the Arms Park. This mail-coach house was known earlier as Red House, when it was constructed for Sir Thomas Morgan at the time of Charles I.

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Jan 2013 13:02

Incidentally, can anyone find St Ardales Oxfordshire? Or indeed a birth in Oxfordshire for him?

Jude

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 15:02

I googled Saint Ardales , but it came up with Saint Aldates Oxford . Some transcritptions have errors cause of misreading the old writing on the census . looked on the census and saint ardales does seem right

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Jan 2013 15:47

yes St Aldates is correct but the transcript definitely says St Ardales. But there is NOT a birth in Oxfordshire that matches :-(

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 15:56

I tried the census either side There are a number of John Huxstables, but not born in Oxfordshire , it is in the county of Devon I think and there are a few in Devon ,but I don't know which is correct and it's costing me to try all of them

friendlywelshdragon

friendlywelshdragon Report 18 Jan 2013 20:55

i put another post on here about Sutton Farm it's gone