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friendlywelshdragon
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17 Jan 2013 21:53 |
How can i find records between 1871 and 1881 Looking for Margaret thomas . on the 1871 census she is 12 years old living in Coychurch road Coity with her parents In 1881 she is with her parents in Nolton steet Bridgend . ,but where was she in between , as there are two now children John 2 years old and William Huxtable 1 month old .. I have the birth certificates and she is their mother .( not married) I am also trying to find where the father also John Huxtable was at that time . According to the family they were in Sutton farm , Cowbridge , but cannot find records.for them .
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Ozibird
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17 Jan 2013 22:02 |
Don't the birth certificates tell exactly where the two boys were born? That would give you a starting place. Obviously from the 1881 census they were in the district.
It will be difficult finding any records for years in between the censuses. Perhaps the parish records might have something especially as the boys are illegitimate. You'll need to find where they are archived.
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alviegal
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17 Jan 2013 22:04 |
1881 for reference.
1881 census transcription details for: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 5331 Folio: 93 Page: 27 Reg. District: Bridgend Sub District: Bridgend Parish: Lower Coyty Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty County: Glamorganshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born THOMAS, John Head Married M 80 1801 Farm Labourer Tavistock, Devon THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1831 Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales >>THOMAS, Margaret Daughter Single F 22 1859 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales THOMAS, Anne Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales THOMAS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1867 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales THOMAS, Catherine Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales >>HUXTABLE, John Grand Son Single M 2 1879 Cowbridge, Glamorganshire, Wales >>HUXTABLE, William H Grand Son Single M 0 1881 Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales SMITH, Jane Visitor Widow F 64 1817 Highworth, Wiltshire
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17 Jan 2013 22:10 |
This is Sutton Farm, but he could easily have worked here between census records.
1871 Census transcription details for: Sutton Farm, St Brides Major
National Archive Reference: RG number RG10 Piece: 5419 Folio: 10 Page: 14 Reg. District: Bridgend Sub District: Bridgend Parish: St Brides Major Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Sutton Farm, St Brides Major County: Glamorganshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born DAVID, David Head M 64 1807 Glamorgan DAVID, Mary Wife F 48 1823 Carmarthenshire DAVID, Evan Son M 19 1852 Glamorgan DAVID, Mary Daughter F 17 1854 Glamorgan DAVID, Jenny Daughter F 16 1855 Glamorgan DAVID, William Son M 12 1859 Glamorgan DAVID, Hannah Daughter F 9 1862 Glamorgan DAVID, David Son M 9 1862 Glamorgan
Same family here in 1881 as well.
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Ozibird
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17 Jan 2013 22:11 |
Have you found the father in any other censuses?
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friendlywelshdragon
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17 Jan 2013 23:51 |
Been looking up census's. I have the 1901 Sutton farm with Head: Edward Thomas and Wife Jane Thomas with five Children. Also 1881 census with Edward and jane in Saint Athans Story in the family is that John Huxtable was a gardener at the farm , but he was paid to claim the children as his ,when actually they were fathered by one of the Thomas family . . Either the Head of the house,or one of the sons .The 2 year old John on the 1881 census is my Great grandfather . Now I am more confused as it seems the Thomas family were not at Sutton farm until after 1881 John was born in 1879 I have got his infomation on another thread here as i have been trying to find his wedding Fourth february 1879 Cowbridge Alfred John , Father ,John Huxtable Gardener, Mother ,Margaret Thomas , Domestic Servant John Huxtable father , Cowbridge M. Thomas ,mother Aber House Port Talbot Registered 18th March I'm guessing Aber house could have been a place for unmarried mothers. I asked about that on the Wales thread , but no one has been able to find any information about it .
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18 Jan 2013 00:02 |
1891 census
Household Information Address Sutton Farm, Parish Llandow District Bridgend, Cowbridge Administrative County Glamorganshire Householder 1 Name Edward Thomas Age 47 Estimated Year of Birth 1844 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Farmer Birth Place Coychurch Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 2 Name Jane Thomas Age 42 Estimated Year of Birth 1849 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place St Bride Major Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 3 Name Charlotte Thomas Age 20 Estimated Year of Birth 1871 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Farmers Daughter Birth Place St Bride Major Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 4 Name David Thomas Age 19 Estimated Year of Birth 1872 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Farmers Son Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 5 Name Micah Thomas Age 18 Estimated Year of Birth 1873 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Farmers Son Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 6 Name Mabel Thomas Age 16 Estimated Year of Birth 1875 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Farmers Daughter Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 7 Name William Thomas Age 14 Estimated Year of Birth 1877 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Farmers Son Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 8 Name Hugh Thomas Age 12 Estimated Year of Birth 1879 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 9 Name Alice Thomas Age 9 Estimated Year of Birth 1882 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 10 Name Gwillim G Thomas Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1883 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 11 Name Kate Thomas Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1884 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 12 Name Alban E Thomas Age 6 Estimated Year of Birth 1885 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place St Athans Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 13 Name Margaret Thomas Age 4 Estimated Year of Birth 1887 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Llandow Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 14 Name Ellen David Age 21 Estimated Year of Birth 1870 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation General Servant Domestic Birth Place Margam Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 15 Name Martha David Age 16 Estimated Year of Birth 1875 Relationship to Head of Household Visitor Occupation General Servant Domestic Birth Place Margam Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 16 Name Edwin Kemp Age 28 Estimated Year of Birth 1863 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Farm Servant Birth Place Llandow Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 17 Name William George Age 19 Estimated Year of Birth 1872 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Farm Servant Birth Place Eglysbrewis Birth County Glamorganshire Householder 18 Name George Taylor Age 18 Estimated Year of Birth 1873 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Farm Servant Birth Place Knighton Birth County Radnorshire © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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18 Jan 2013 00:29 |
I did put another reply here thanking you for the 1871 census but that reply disappeared. I didn't have that census because it's a different family . you asked if I have found the father on any other census No, I haven't
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Jan 2013 08:45 |
Baptism (Find My Past)
Forenames:Alfred John Surname:Thomas Baptism Year:1879 Baptism Month:May Baptism Day:22 Place:Nolton County:Glamorganshire Birth Year: Birth Month: Birth Day: Fathers Forenames: Mothers Forenames:Margaret (Single Woman) Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru (abode, Port Talbot)
Chris :)
Forenames:Margaret Surname:Thomas Baptism Year:1860 Baptism Month:Mar Baptism Day:7 Place:Nolton County:Glamorganshire Fathers Forenames:John (Labourer) Mothers Forenames:Elizabeth Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts (abode, Bridgend)
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Jan 2013 09:16 |
1881 ? HUXTABLE, John Single M 27 1854 Gardener St Ardales, Oxfordshire Piece: 5276 Folio: 11 Page: 15 Registration District: Cardiff Civil Parish: Cardiff St John Municipal Borough: Address: Cardiff Arms, Broad Street, Cardiff St John County: Glamorganshire
(not sure if near area!)
Chris :)
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18 Jan 2013 09:25 |
Staff at Bridgend library were extremely helpful when I contacted them about locations in their broader area. I don't know what resources they hold there, but they would probably be able to help in some way.
Gwyn
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18 Jan 2013 10:04 |
Chris, it's about 20 miles from Cardiff St John to Bridgend
Jude
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friendlywelshdragon
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18 Jan 2013 10:45 |
Thanks for the information. Would there be any online records of when the Thomas family took over Sutton farm from the David family House purchase ?.
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Jan 2013 11:23 |
Sending a Thankyou to Jude.
Chris :)
google often throws up bits of info., or as advised Record Office, Library.
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18 Jan 2013 13:00 |
The Cardiff Arms was a hotel...gave its name to the (later) stadium
The Cardiff Arms Hotel gave its name to Cardiff's famous sports stadium, the Arms Park. This mail-coach house was known earlier as Red House, when it was constructed for Sir Thomas Morgan at the time of Charles I.
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18 Jan 2013 13:02 |
Incidentally, can anyone find St Ardales Oxfordshire? Or indeed a birth in Oxfordshire for him?
Jude
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friendlywelshdragon
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18 Jan 2013 15:02 |
I googled Saint Ardales , but it came up with Saint Aldates Oxford . Some transcritptions have errors cause of misreading the old writing on the census . looked on the census and saint ardales does seem right
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18 Jan 2013 15:47 |
yes St Aldates is correct but the transcript definitely says St Ardales. But there is NOT a birth in Oxfordshire that matches :-(
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friendlywelshdragon
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18 Jan 2013 15:56 |
I tried the census either side There are a number of John Huxstables, but not born in Oxfordshire , it is in the county of Devon I think and there are a few in Devon ,but I don't know which is correct and it's costing me to try all of them
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18 Jan 2013 20:55 |
i put another post on here about Sutton Farm it's gone
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