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1911 census challenge

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Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 19 Jan 2013 04:58

Hi all
Just been down to the library to look for a family in 1911
In 1901
Charles Walker 1859 Sheffield
Hannah 1860 Middlesbrough
Charles H 1883 Middlesbrough
John 1885 Sheffield
Harriet A 1887 Mbro
Helen 1896 Mbro

John Walker married in sept qt 1910 to Ethel May Wicks
They had a daughter Ethel May Walker 17/12/1910 Middlesbrough

Found the Wicks family in 1911 but non of the Walkers
Ethel May Wicks is born c1892 Sunderland.

Can someone take a look. They could be just missing

Wicks family living 8 Duncombe St Middlesbrough in 3 rooms. I was born in no 42 and it was a two up two down. I was wondering if Ethel now married was living in the other room knowing how close families were

Is it possible to look for an address in 1911

Thanks

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 05:08

1901 for info - but husband is John??:

Hannah Walker
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Walker
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Middlesbrough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
Town: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Piece: 4574
Folio: 133
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
John Walker 42
Hannah Walker 40
John Walker 15
Harriet A Walker 14
Charles H Walker 18
Helen Walker 5
Jane Mc Lean 21
Eliza Mc Lean 3

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 05:23

Not sure about this - no birth places:

Hanna Walkerar
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: England
Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Robinson St
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Blacksmiths Shrike
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 29264
Household Members: Name Age
Hanna Walkerar 52
Margaret Hease 18 <<daughter, married 1 year, 1 child
Ellen Walker 15
Hanna Walker 8
Frederick John Hesse 3/12 <<son - this is Margaret's son
Dungay E Arther 22
Alian E Dungay 22
Edward A Dungay 1 6/12
William H Dungay 7/12
Mickel Relons 28

Margaret was with her aunt in 1901 (Harriet Fowler) - is this possibe for the right family?

K

K Report 19 Jan 2013 06:34

It is possible to search FMP by address but I can't see them in Duncombe St

There is this John and Ethel of the right age in 1911 but the daughters are rather out? Edit - Looks like these belong to a marriage a year earlier

WALKER, John Head Married M 28 1883 Pork Butcher Middlesbrough Yorks VIEW
WALKER, Ethel Wife Married F 20 1891 Middlesbrough Yorks VIEW
WALKER, Gladys Daughter F 1 (16 MONTHS) 1910 Middlesbrough Yorks VIEW
WALKER, Florence May Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 South Bank Yorks VIEW
MCMULLEN, Sarah Servant F 14 1897 Domestic Servant Middlesbrough Yorks VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 29217

Reference: RG14PN29217 RG78PN1694 RD535 SD1 ED14 SN129

Registration District: Middlesbrough

Sub District: Ormesby

Enumeration District: 14

Parish: Eston

Address: 51 Graham St South Bank

County: Yorkshire (North riding)

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 19 Jan 2013 07:11

Thank you Flip and K Sorry you are right its John Walker 1859 Sheffield occ shipyard labourer.
Charles is Ethel May Wicks father

Hannah Walker 1860 maiden name is Forth

There are a couple of John Walker deaths in Middlesbrough before the 1911 census of the right age so thats probably them

Who signed the form Hannah.Pity she didnt give places of birth

Thanks very much

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 19 Jan 2013 07:21

No sign of John Walker 1885 born Sheffield occ ironworks labourer
Or wife Ethel May 1892 Sunderland

Baby Ethel May 1910

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 07:25

The form was signed by Hannah Walker (spelt correctly), but it doesn't look like the same hand writing as the person completing the details. I'll PM a copy of the image.

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 19 Jan 2013 07:28

Margaret Walker married William HF Hesse in 1910

I was sent info saying Hannah Forth has a sister who owned a clothes shop and in 1901 Harriet Fowler has a second hand clothes shop so it all fits

Thank very much

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 07:43

Not having any luck with John & Ethel in 1911 sorry.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 08:11

John's service record:

John Walker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age at enlistment: 29
Birth Parish: Sheffield
Birth County: Yorkshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 13303
Regiment Name: Yorkshire Regt
Number of images: 14

Image 28499 gives next of kin as wife Ethel May Walker of 5 Roberts Street. Middlesbrough, children ?(page torn, but I assume this is Ethel May) 17/12/1910 born 28 Dunean? street and John born 26/1/1914 at 5 Roberts street.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 19 Jan 2013 08:20

harriett Forth/Fowler was born in 1843 it seems so a lot older than Hannah - can't find a marriage to Robert Fowler though. But not finding John Ethel and Ethel.

There is a very well researched tree with lots of photos on A - your's?

Is it possible they had gone to Scotland?

Jude

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 08:31

More from John's record - Enlisted 2/9/1914 labourer at rollings mill, states he had lived at 5 Marlbro Place, Middlesbrough. Discharged 6/5/1919 address 1 Snowdon Road, Middlesbrough.

K

K Report 19 Jan 2013 08:34

Could Ethel May have been born in Duncan St from John's Army Records?

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 08:38

K it could be Duncan Street, very poor writing. His wife's address was originally 5 Marlboro Place, but this was crossed out and replaced with 5 Roberts street.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 08:43

Forgot to mention, they married at St Hilda's church 15/8/1910, witnesses Thomas Tague and Lilian Wallace.

K

K Report 19 Jan 2013 08:44

Not that it helps much - there doesn't appear to be a Duncan St Middledbrough in 1911!

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jan 2013 09:12

K can you do a 1911 address search for 5 Duncombe Street? It really is a bad image so could be that.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 19 Jan 2013 11:31

When they married address on that tree is 1 Nelson place Albert Street Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding

They married in August 1910 and Ethel May was born Dec 1910....can you do an address search for this in 1911 K as well (just to rule it out)

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 19 Jan 2013 11:43

There's a duncombe ROAD

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 19 Jan 2013 11:46

In 1911, 1 Snowden Road is a commercial lodging house :-)