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Grandfathers side? Little help please :-)

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gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 12:31

Hi, I am looking into my grandfathers side I have very little information on him.

My grandfather was called Patrick Hart born 1929 and died 2006, he married Margaret Mary Bugg in 1957 she was born 1933 and died 1997, I have a lot of family information on my grandmothers side its my grandfathers I am looking in to. They had two children - both sons.

Patrick had one sibling - a brother called Alfred Martin Hart who was born 1921 and died 2005. He married Pearl Linstead born c1923 who is still around. Unsure of when they married. They had one child - A daughter.

Their parents were Alfred Hart who was born c1898 and died some time in the 1940's and Laura Bailey (Also known as Minnie) born 1899 and died late 1960's.

The family lived in Lincolnshire.

This is all the information we have on my grandfather, we would like to expand the family tree on his side so any help would be brilliant. Thankyou :-D

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Jan 2013 12:33

Well, you've already got quite a good start Gemma!

Are you trying to work further back? Do you have access to census records?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Jan 2013 12:34

Hi Gemma.
I think you have quite a bit of info compared to most of us!
Have you looked at Freebmd to find births, marriages and deaths?
Jan

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 12:34

This looks like your great grandparent's marriage:-


Name: HART, Alfred
Registration district: Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1916
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Bailey
Volume no: 7A
Page no: 1293

Name: BAILEY, Laura M
Registration district: Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1916
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Hart
Volume no: 7A
Page no: 1293

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 12:36

This looks like Laura in the 1911 census with her family:-

1911 census transcription details for: 42 Orwell Street Grimsby

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN19961 RG78PN1197A RD422 SD1 ED15 SN39
Reg. District: Grimsby
Sub District: Great Grimsby
Parish: Great Grimsby
Enum. District: 15

Address: 42 Orwell Street Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

BAILEY, James Head Married M 56 1855 Chapel Caretaker Stone Staffs
BAILEY, Maria Wife Married
1 years F 31 1880 Tetney Lincs
BAILEY, George Reginald Son Single M 26 1885 Cooper Fish Packeges Stone Staffs
BAILEY, John Thomas Son Single M 24 1887 Fitter Stone Staffs
BAILEY, Frederick William Son Single M 21 1890 Seaman Sea Ing Stone Staffs
BAILEY, Laura Minnie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Shorthand Typist Clerk Stone Staffs<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Margee

Margee Report 20 Jan 2013 12:38

You could buy the marriage certificate to get fathers' names:

Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bailey Laura M Hart Grimsby 7a 1293
Hart Alfred Bailey Grimsby 7a 1293

gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 12:38

Hiya, yeah I'm trying to go back even further like my grandmothers side dates back to the 1600's so I'd like to try with my grandfathers. I have access to some of the census yeah, I'm not quite sure how to look for things though, and yeah Kath that looks like it could be thankyou x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Jan 2013 12:39

Name: Laura M Hart
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 258

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 12:39

Possible for Alfred in the 1911 census (although you would need his marriage certificate to be sure of his father's name as this one has a middle initial which is missing from the marriage reference):-

1911 census transcription details for: 85 Bridge End Road Grantham

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN19681 RG78PN1180 RD417 SD2 ED5 SN437
Reg. District: Grantham
Sub District: Grantham North
Parish: Grantham
Enum. District: 5

Address: 85 Bridge End Road Grantham
County: Lincolnshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HART, Alfred Head Married M 50 1861 Butler Domestic Fressingfield Suffolk
HART, Frida Wife Married
23 years F 49 1862 Germany
HART, Hetty Caroline Daughter Single F 21 1890 Dressmaker Fressingfield Suffolk
HART, Alfred Ernest Son Single M 18 1893 Law Clerk Gaddesby Leicestershire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HART, Elsie Nora Daughter F 13 1898 School Girl St Annes Grantham Lincs

Kath. x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Jan 2013 12:40

For birth, marriage and death records try Freebmd - click here or google it:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 12:41

Kath will those all be her siblings? x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Jan 2013 12:41

Name: Alfred Hart
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1152

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jan 2013 12:44

Maria probably not Laura's mother.
Only married in 1909

gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 12:45

Brummiejan that looks right :)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 12:45

On the 1911 census for Laura, George, John and Frederick are her brothers. She may have had other siblings born after the 1911 census.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 12:57

The Bailey family in the 1901 census (probably with Laura's mother and more siblings):-

1901 census transcription details for: 246, Burgess Street, Great Grimsby, Grimsby

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3091
Folio: 6
Page: 3
Reg. District: Grimsby
Sub District: Great Grimsby
Parish: Great Grimsby
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St James
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 246, Burgess Street, Great Grimsby, Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BAILEY, James Head Married M 47 1854 Wesleyan Chapel Caretaker
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Ellen Wife Married F 42 1859
Hanley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Florence Daughter Single F 19 1882
Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Reginald Son Single M 16 1885 Cooper
Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, John Thos Son Single M 15 1886 Fitters Apprentice
Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Hilda Daughter Single F 13 1888
Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Frederick Son Single M 11 1890
Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Laura M Daughter F 10 1891
Stoke, Staffordshire
REDFERN, George Boarder Married M 38 1863 Fisherman
Hanley, Staffordshire

Kath. x

gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 13:00

So are they all her siblings Kath? x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 13:02

The 1891 census with Laura as a baby:-

1891 census transcription details for: 13, Victoria Street, Stone

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2142
Folio: 122
Page: 54
Reg. District: Stone
Sub District: Stone
Parish: Stone
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 13, Victoria Street, Stone
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BAILEY, James Head Married M 37 1854 Gardener
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Ellen Wife Married F 32 1859
Fenton, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1879
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Alfred Son M 10 1881
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Florence Daughter F 9 1882
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Reginald Son M 6 1885
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, John J Son M 5 1886
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Hilda Daughter F 4 1887
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Frederick Son M 1 1890
Stone, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Laura Daughter F 0 (7M) 1891
Stone, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 Jan 2013 13:03

I would think so.

Kath. x

gemgems1094

gemgems1094 Report 20 Jan 2013 13:04

Kath, what does it mean by head and wife? Does that mean head and wife are the parents? x