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Willow 1850 -1883

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Pamela

Pamela Report 5 Feb 2013 05:30

I am unable to find any definitive leads to this family. They do not seem to appear on any census records as a family. Any assistance would be very appreciated. I am wondering if they had lived somewhere other than England.
Parents: John and Fanny Clare ( maiden name unknown) Willow.
Children: Fanny born c.1854; Louise born c.1855; Evelyn born c.1858 and Emily born 10.3.1860 (death certificate says born in Brighton, England)
Family story says John was considerably older than Fanny Clare and died "when children were quite young"???
Fanny Clare married again to Thomas John Lucas, born 1826 in Devon.
Thomas Lucas, a captain in Cape Mounted Rifles was medically discharged from them possibly around 1861-2. He died at his home in Notting Hill, Kensington in late October 1879.
It appears that Fanny Clare died in early 1879. Her age was given as 42 (birth year 1836?) meaning she was about 18 at the time of Fanny's birth.
The 3 older daughters, all unmarried, emigrated to South Australia in 1879 (there are no official records for unassisted immigrants, if you are lucky they may appear on a passenger list published in the daily papers of the day - we are not so lucky).
Evelyn married Henry George Parker in Adelaide on 28 August 1880.
Emily joined her sisters in Adelaide in 1883. She arrived aboard the John Elder as a first class saloon passenger.
The family story also says that the girls all attended finishing school on the continent as their mother wished to travel with her new husband. Thomas Lucas is also said to have unsuccessfully tried farming in New Zealand for a short while.
A cousin of my mother claimed there was also a brother, James, who "ran away from Eton, put his age up, joined the armed forces and was never heard from again". I am not sure about the reliability of this piece of information.
I thank you in advance for any you may be able give on this subject :-)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 07:12

Do you have Thomas John's will??


from ancestry


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Thomas John Lucas
Probate Date: 29 Nov 1879
Death Date: 4 Nov 1879
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Principal Registry


from image:-

29 November 1879. Administration (with the Will) of the Personal Estate of Thomas John Lucas, late of 45 Blenheim Crescent, Notting Hill in the County of Middlesex, heretofore a Captain in Her Majesty's Cape Mounted Rifles, who died 4 November 1879 at 45 Blenheim Crescent, was granted at the Principal Registry to Briscoe Hooper of Torquay in the County of Devon, a Member of the Firm of Messrs. Hooper and Wallon, Solicitors, the Universal Legatee in Trust.

Personal Estate under £2000


You would have to buy the will to find out how the estate was distributed.




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 07:17

Thomas John in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Thomas John Lucas
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: England

Civil parish: East Bergholt
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Samford
Sub-registration district: Capel St Mary

Thomas White Goodrich 30 Late Captain 4th Light Dragoons
Ermingarole Goodrich 38
Thomas John Lucas 29 Captain H.M.C.M. Riflemen
Eliza Wright 40 Housekeeper
Jane Edwards 21Cook
Sarah Moss 22 Housemaid
Ellen Barrell 23 Kitchenmaid

Address:- Highlands, White Horse Road

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 07:31

a tree on ancestry has the following information .................. but NO documentation to support the dates


Is this in fact YOUR tree????


John Willow 1820 –

Fanny Willow 1851 – 1936
Louise Eleanor Willow 1854 – 1933
Evelyn Willow 1857 – 1891
Emily Willow 1860 – 1951
James Willow 1863 –

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 08:08

????????????????????????????


from ancestry ...........


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Miss F Willow
Gender: Female
Age: 69
Birth Date: abt 1854
Departure Date: 27 Oct 1923
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Adelaide, Australia
Ship Name: Suevic
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Suevic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 113456
Master: A E Jackson

from image:-

Last Address in UK:- 24
Frances St, W.C. 1 (ie, London)

Place of Permanent Residence:- Australia

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Miss Fanny Willow
Gender: Female
Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1853
Departure Date: 18 Dec 1925
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Maloja
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Maloja' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 145437
Master: S C Warner


from image:-

Last Address in England:- Lelant, Cornwall
Travelling 2nd Class, going to Sydney
Permanent Residence:- Australia




UK Incoming Passenger Lists,

Name: Fanny Willow
Birth Date: abt 1855
Age: 68
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 14 Apr 1923
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Moreton Bay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Moreton Bay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Commonwealth Government Line
Official Number: 130169

from image:-

Proposed Address in UK:- Commonwealth Bank of Australia
Permanent Residence:- Australia




Fanny seems to be the only one who travelled!!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 Feb 2013 08:21

Pamela, do you have any clues as to where the marriage of Thomas John and Fanny Clare might have taken place?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 Feb 2013 08:27

Might Fanny's death cert provide more info?

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Fanny Willow
Death Date: 1936
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: North Sydney, New South Wales
Registration number: 16460

Australian certs apparently have more info than ours

Penny

Penny Report 5 Feb 2013 08:52

Clara, not Clare

Name: Fanny Clara Lucas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 103 (click to see others on page)

Stuart

Stuart Report 5 Feb 2013 10:03

Civil Registration event: Death

Death reg from FMP - original says Fanny Clare (not that it will make much difference I don't suppose) So birth 1835/6 if age correct

Name: LUCAS, Fanny Clare
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1879
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 43
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 103

Flip

Flip Report 5 Feb 2013 10:05

There is an emily Willow on the 1861 census on family search, but I can't find it on Ancestry - maybe someone could check it out on FMP?

Emily Willow
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 2
relationship to head of household: Granddaughter
birthplace: Aspenden, Hertfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Royston
sub-district: 1 Buntingford
ecclesiastical parish:
civil parish: Aspenden
county: Hertfordshire

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:10

This is the Ancestry version


1861 England Census

Name: Emily Wilson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Aspenden, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Aspenden
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 811
Folio: 31
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Wilson 56
Maria Wilson 52
Emily Wilson 2
Charles Ratchford 15
Charles Mole 12



Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 811; Folio: 31; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542704.



She's still with grandparents in 1871 and I think the name is 'Wilson'

Stuart

Stuart Report 5 Feb 2013 10:12

Emily in 1861 as found by Flip

1861 census transcription details for: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 811
Folio: 31
Page: 22
Reg. District: Royston
Sub District: 1 Buntingford
Parish: Aspenden
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WILLOW, Henry Head Married M 56 1805 Agricultural Labourer Ruitwash, Hertfordshire
WILLOW, Maria Wife Married F 52 1809 Aspenden, Hertfordshire
WILLOW, Emily Granddaughter Unmarried F 2 1859 Aspenden, Hertfordshire
RATCHFORD, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer Throcking, Hertfordshire
MOLE, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 12 1849 Agricultural Labourer Cottered, Hertfordshire

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:19

Was Emily born a 'Lucas'


Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LUCAS Emily St Thomas 5b 73

Dea

Dea Report 5 Feb 2013 10:20

Can anyone see any of the births for any of these children, or either of Fanny's marriages please?

Dea x

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:29

No Dea, it seems not!

We could do with some more info as the poster appears to have Emily' full DOB, maybe thats from the death record?

Stuart

Stuart Report 5 Feb 2013 10:30

Clutching at straws - the only Fanny Clara on the 1851 - born India plus ? a sister Eliza Sarah
1851 census transcription details for: Hampstead Square, Hampstead

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1492
Folio: 171
Page: 25
Reg. District: Hampstead
Sub District: Hampstead
Parish: Hampstead
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hampstead Square, Hampstead
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FIRTH, Richard Anson Head Married M 60 1791 Organist Oxfordshire
FIRTH, Charlotte Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1797 Norwich
FIRTH, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 27 1824 Hampstead, Middlesex
FIRTH, Elizabeth Mary Daughter Unmarried F 21 1830 Hampstead, Middlesex
CLARKE, Fanny Clara Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject
BROOKE, Julia Rose Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar France British Subject
CLARKE, Eliza Sarah Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject
WIMBUSH, Maryanne Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar London, Middlesex
GILES, Katherine Pupil F 11 1840 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex
SEWARD, Martha Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 Upper Servant Harrow on the Hill, Middlesex
PICKETT, Hannah Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Cook Great Bunted, Essex
BANNARD, Eliza Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 Housemaid Brackley, Northamptonshire

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:44

??


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Louise Eleanor Willow
Father's Name: John Willow
Spouse Name: Henry George Parker
Spouse's Father's Name: William Richard Parker
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1893
Marriage Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 1120
Volume Number: 175


Huh :-S


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Evelyn Willow
Father's Name: John Willow
Spouse Name: Henry George Parker
Spouse's Father's Name: W R Parker
Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1880
Marriage Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 724
Volume Number: 124

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Evelyn Parker
Death Date: 28 Oct 1891
Death Place: Semaphore
Age: 31
Residence Place: Semaphore
Registration Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 146
Volume Number: 197
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:48

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Fanny Willow
Death Date: 1936
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: North Sydney, New South Wales
Registration number: 16460

Stuart

Stuart Report 5 Feb 2013 10:54

So, did Henry George Parker marry Louise Eleanor after Evelyn died? (The ancestry tree that Sylvia posted had Evelyn's death as 1891)

Australia, Marriages, 1810-1980 re Evelyn Willow
spouse Henry George Parker
groom's name Henry George Parker
groom's birth date 1851
groom's birthplace
groom's age 29
bride's name Evelyn Willow
bride's birth date 1858
bride's birthplace
bride's age 22
marriage date 28 Aug 1880
marriage place Christ Church,North Adelaide,South Australia,Australia
groom's father's name
groom's mother's name

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:59

Im starting to think the children were born in NZ


Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mr Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 47
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mrs Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 44
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Miss Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 21
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English