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Willow 1850 -1883

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Pamela

Pamela Report 6 Feb 2013 04:51

Yes it would seem so .
Thank you

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 6 Feb 2013 03:34

This then could be Fanny making another trip to the UK .............. a little earlier than the others that I found!



UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Miss Willow
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 25 May 1912
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Osterley
Search Ship Database: View the 'Osterley' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 128287

from image:-

Hospital Matron
Permanent Residence:- Australia



and could this be her returning to Australia??????


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 a

Name: Miss Willow
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 8 Nov 1912
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Orontes
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Orontes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 115707
Master: T Cox Walter


from image:-

travelling 2nd class, and going to Sydney.
Permanent Residence:- Australia

No occupation given.

Pamela

Pamela Report 6 Feb 2013 01:02

Emily had a teaching career in the South Australian government school system before transferring to the private sector. It would appear that she had that position to come to or she acquired immediately on arrival. Perhaps her passage was paid for by the government as an inducement to get the teachers the state needed. I hadn't considered how she got here. But then some one had had to pay for her sisters passages too - I had assumed this was Thomas Lucas.

Henry George Parker was a tailor although I think he was still a tailors cutter in 1883. Louise was working as a governess at the time. Fanny gave her occupation as "nanny" on Evelyn's marriage certificate but she later pursued a career in nursing in Sydney. She was to become the matron of the Royal North Shore Hospital I believe.

I am thinking there is something to this story that hasn't been told :-S

Pamela

Pamela Report 6 Feb 2013 00:40

Wow! Thank you so much everyone.
I started this search many many moons ago armed only with a very sketchy family story and my grandmothers date of birth.

I will attempt to answer your questions:
No I don't have a copy of Thomas Lucas's will - thanks Sylvia - I will follow that up.

No Marie I don't have any idea as to where or when Thomas and Fanny married or met for that matter. Early Australian BMD records varied considerably from state to state. South Australian one are more notable for what they don't tell than what they do.

Gins, This is something I have wondered too but the cousin mentioned above was adamant that the girls were all Willows. I have a letter my g. aunt wrote to a member of the Lucas family who had requested information on Thomas and Fanny's family. She was of the belief that they didn't have any family. Although saying that, I did happen upon a death of an Blanche Fanny Lucas in the BMD in 1879 (born (1878) and died in Holborn). Whether this is of any significance or not I don't know but Henry George and Evelyn had a daughter named Blanche Emily who also died in infancy.

Stuart, This is interesting, I have been clutching at straws for a long time. Not having a maiden name is certainly an issue here.

Yes, Henry George did marry Louise after Evelyn died - this story can get very complicated very easily.

Gins, The New Zealand story could be a Willow one. I always wondered why a man with a very badly injured leg and apparent poor health from the deprivation experienced in South Africa would choose to attempt to go farming in New Zealand.

I have a photocopy of a photo said to be of John Willow. The photographer is Adams & Co., 63 Westbourne Grove, W. (Westminster?) In it he is holding a top hat and gloves. He is wearing a dark closely fitted double breasted buttoned up shirt coat possibly with velvet trim and a narrow neck tie held by a ring rather than knotted. The shirt collar covers the tie. He has short hair and a full but short bushy beard. Am I correct in assuming this is an 1860's fashion statement?

Thank you all once again

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 23:59

no ..


Clarissa Boast is still alive in 1891, with a new servant Harriet Payson. Clarissa died in 1893 (probate record)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2013 23:56

Choccy


I saw that one last night, but then couldn't make sense of the fact that the OP says Emily travelled First Class to Australia in 1883



Unless, of course, someone died and left her a pile of money ....... eg, Mrs Boast :-)




sylvia

Choccy

Choccy Report 5 Feb 2013 18:07



Emily, on her death certificate, was born in Brighton (OP).

Could this be her?


1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 822
Folio: 100
Page: 42
Reg. District: Croydon
Sub District: Croydon
Parish: Penge
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hill Lodge, Centra Park, Penge
County: Surrey

BOAST, Clarissa Head Widow F 70 1811 Income From Land
Bristol, Somerset
TOXON, Maria Daughter Single F 46 1835
London, Middlesex
>>>>>WILLOW, Emily Servant Single F 24 1857 Domestic Servt
>>>>> Horsham, Sussex




Astra

Astra Report 5 Feb 2013 18:00

Just found this

John Willow abt 1832 25 Dec 1863 Melbourne, Australia Plymouth Lincolnshire English

Clara Willow abt 1838 25 Dec 1863 Melbourne, Australia Plymouth Lincolnshire English

No children of the same name listed with them

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:59

Im starting to think the children were born in NZ


Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mr Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 47
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mrs Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 44
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Miss Willow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 21
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand
Ship: Arawata
Nationality: English

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Feb 2013 10:54

So, did Henry George Parker marry Louise Eleanor after Evelyn died? (The ancestry tree that Sylvia posted had Evelyn's death as 1891)

Australia, Marriages, 1810-1980 re Evelyn Willow
spouse Henry George Parker
groom's name Henry George Parker
groom's birth date 1851
groom's birthplace
groom's age 29
bride's name Evelyn Willow
bride's birth date 1858
bride's birthplace
bride's age 22
marriage date 28 Aug 1880
marriage place Christ Church,North Adelaide,South Australia,Australia
groom's father's name
groom's mother's name

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:48

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Fanny Willow
Death Date: 1936
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: North Sydney, New South Wales
Registration number: 16460

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:44

??


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Louise Eleanor Willow
Father's Name: John Willow
Spouse Name: Henry George Parker
Spouse's Father's Name: William Richard Parker
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1893
Marriage Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 1120
Volume Number: 175


Huh :-S


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Evelyn Willow
Father's Name: John Willow
Spouse Name: Henry George Parker
Spouse's Father's Name: W R Parker
Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1880
Marriage Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 724
Volume Number: 124

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Evelyn Parker
Death Date: 28 Oct 1891
Death Place: Semaphore
Age: 31
Residence Place: Semaphore
Registration Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 146
Volume Number: 197
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Feb 2013 10:30

Clutching at straws - the only Fanny Clara on the 1851 - born India plus ? a sister Eliza Sarah
1851 census transcription details for: Hampstead Square, Hampstead

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1492
Folio: 171
Page: 25
Reg. District: Hampstead
Sub District: Hampstead
Parish: Hampstead
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hampstead Square, Hampstead
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FIRTH, Richard Anson Head Married M 60 1791 Organist Oxfordshire
FIRTH, Charlotte Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1797 Norwich
FIRTH, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 27 1824 Hampstead, Middlesex
FIRTH, Elizabeth Mary Daughter Unmarried F 21 1830 Hampstead, Middlesex
CLARKE, Fanny Clara Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject
BROOKE, Julia Rose Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar France British Subject
CLARKE, Eliza Sarah Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject
WIMBUSH, Maryanne Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar London, Middlesex
GILES, Katherine Pupil F 11 1840 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex
SEWARD, Martha Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 Upper Servant Harrow on the Hill, Middlesex
PICKETT, Hannah Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Cook Great Bunted, Essex
BANNARD, Eliza Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 Housemaid Brackley, Northamptonshire

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:29

No Dea, it seems not!

We could do with some more info as the poster appears to have Emily' full DOB, maybe thats from the death record?

Dea

Dea Report 5 Feb 2013 10:20

Can anyone see any of the births for any of these children, or either of Fanny's marriages please?

Dea x

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:19

Was Emily born a 'Lucas'


Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LUCAS Emily St Thomas 5b 73

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Feb 2013 10:12

Emily in 1861 as found by Flip

1861 census transcription details for: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 811
Folio: 31
Page: 22
Reg. District: Royston
Sub District: 1 Buntingford
Parish: Aspenden
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WILLOW, Henry Head Married M 56 1805 Agricultural Labourer Ruitwash, Hertfordshire
WILLOW, Maria Wife Married F 52 1809 Aspenden, Hertfordshire
WILLOW, Emily Granddaughter Unmarried F 2 1859 Aspenden, Hertfordshire
RATCHFORD, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer Throcking, Hertfordshire
MOLE, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 12 1849 Agricultural Labourer Cottered, Hertfordshire

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 10:10

This is the Ancestry version


1861 England Census

Name: Emily Wilson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Aspenden, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Aspenden
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 811
Folio: 31
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Wilson 56
Maria Wilson 52
Emily Wilson 2
Charles Ratchford 15
Charles Mole 12



Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 811; Folio: 31; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542704.



She's still with grandparents in 1871 and I think the name is 'Wilson'

Flip

Flip Report 5 Feb 2013 10:05

There is an emily Willow on the 1861 census on family search, but I can't find it on Ancestry - maybe someone could check it out on FMP?

Emily Willow
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 2
relationship to head of household: Granddaughter
birthplace: Aspenden, Hertfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Royston
sub-district: 1 Buntingford
ecclesiastical parish:
civil parish: Aspenden
county: Hertfordshire

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Feb 2013 10:03

Civil Registration event: Death

Death reg from FMP - original says Fanny Clare (not that it will make much difference I don't suppose) So birth 1835/6 if age correct

Name: LUCAS, Fanny Clare
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1879
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 43
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 103