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Arthur Charles Collings

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 Feb 2013 11:28

I think that you need to buy the marriage certificate to find out Ellen / Nelly's father's name. As she was 50 when she married Arthur it is quite likely that she had been married previously and wasn't born Howell.

When did Arthur leave his first wife please?

It may be that Arthur and Ellen had children together before he was divorced and free to marry.

Raymond

Raymond Report 10 Feb 2013 13:07

Reggie sorry was there a question? are you talking about, have I contacted the other GR member? if so sorry but not sure what you mean.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 13:40

Raymond, if you use the Search facility on the menu above you can check if anyone else has the same people in their tree. You then contact the tree owner with a view to sharing information.

Reggie had asked on page 1 if you had done that.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 13:56

The family seem to have lived at 7 Cloudsley Place for quite a while.

On various ERs Arthur Charles is there with an Edwin and Eleanor Jane Collings (his parents?) and a Helen Alexandra (his wife?). In 1936 a Doris Annie is also listed and the occupants remain the same until 1939 when there is no mention of a Helen Alexandra.

However, in 1939 there is also an Augustus Henry Robert Cook and an Ellen Elsie Cook at number 7.

Helen is back there in 1945 but gone again from 1948.

If Arthur Charles married Ellen in 1949 then it doesn't look like he and Helen had been apart for very long.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Feb 2013 14:08

Collings first names Eleanor Jane Burial date 24 Jun 1948 Authority London Borough of Islington.

(above is also on below link, credits needed to view images)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

Raymond

Raymond Report 18 Feb 2013 15:26

Hi yer I am back, with marriage certificate.
Ellen Howell 52 widow married Arthur Charles Collings 17/12/1949
Father to Ellen Thomas Wesson.
Witnesses D PAGE and A W PAGE (poss siblings)
Ellen DOB 1897

patchem

patchem Report 18 Feb 2013 18:21

Occupation of Thomas from marriage certificate, please?
?
1901 England Census
Ellen Wesson
Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Wesson Mother's Name: Ellen Wesson
Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Somers Town
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 155 Piece: 146 Folio: 14 Page Number: 22
Thomas Wesson 26 bricklayer's labourer
Ellen Wesson 24
Ellen Wesson 3
Annie Wesson 7 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 146; Folio: 14; Page: 22.

Marriages Dec 1918
Howell John Wesson Islington 1b 535
Wesson Ellen Howell Islington 1b 535

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:21

This is a possible 1901 for her - did the certificate give an occupation for her father?

WESSON, Thomas Head Married M 26 1875 Bricklayer's Labourer St Pancras, London
WESSON, Ellen Wife Married F 24 1877 St Pancras, London
WESSON, Ellen Daughter F 3 1898 St Pancras, London
WESSON, Annie Daughter F 0 (7 MOS) 1901 St Pancras, London

Piece: 146 Folio: 14 Page: 22
Registration District: St Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras

Address: 44, Drummond Crescent, St Pancras County: London

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:24

First marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Ellen Wesson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 21
Spouse Name: John Howell - soldier
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1918
Parish: Islington St Thomas
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Wesson - soldier
Spouse Father Name: Edward Howell - (deceased). Butcher
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before, address for both looks like 16 Luard Street.

Witnesses: Thomas Wesson and Cissie Murphy

patchem

patchem Report 18 Feb 2013 18:27

You can find births for the couple on free bmd, under Howell/Wesson.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:28

Her father's service record:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Wesson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age at enlistment: 46
Residence: 16 Luard Street, Caledonian Road N 1
Document Year: 1918
Regiment Name: Mdx Regt
Number of images: 14

He was a painter when he enlisted July 1918.

Gives his wife as Rosemary Nash (widow) who he married 21 April 1918 in Islington.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:33

1911 - Thomas has listed his wife and daughter as Helen:

WESSON, Thomas Head Married M 36 1875 Painter London St Pancras
WESSON, Helen Wife Married F 34 1877 London St Pancras
WESSON, Helen Daughter F 13 1898 School London St Pancras
WESSON, Anne Daughter F 10 1901 School London St Pancras
WESSON, Thomas Son M 6 1905 School London St Pancras
WESSON, William Son M 4 1907 School London Islington

RG number: RG14 Piece: 896
Reference: RG14PN896 RG78PN31 RD10 SD5 ED25 SN165
Registration District: Islington
Sub District: Barnsbury
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: Islington

Address: 8 Randells Road Islington London N County: London

patchem

patchem Report 18 Feb 2013 18:35

John Howell might be on someone's tree on here.

Raymond

Raymond Report 18 Feb 2013 18:36

Wow so much info.Her Dads occupation is given as a House Painter

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:40

John Howell's service record:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: John Howell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 19
Residence: 79 Bemington St, Islington London N
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 2225
Regiment Name: Royal ?? RH & RFA
Number of images: 3

He was a carpenter when he enlisted.

Gives details of his marriage to Ellen. No children mentioned but as he enlisted before he was married it might not have been updated.

He was discharged as medically unfit 28 Feb 1919.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 18:41

Possible death:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: John Howell
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 326

patchem

patchem Report 18 Feb 2013 19:33

Raymond,
Have you found the Howell/Wesson children from free bmd?

Raymond

Raymond Report 18 Feb 2013 22:31

no sorry i havent found the children

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 22:48

Raymond, do you mean you can't find them or you haven't looked?

Go to FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and search for births with surname Howell and mother's surname Wesson. There are three.

patchem

patchem Report 18 Feb 2013 23:25

The youngest child is John E T Howell. Do a 192.com search for him.
http://www.192.com/atoz/people/howell/john/tn34/728067774/
This may not be him.
You will have to pay for further information. But you want further information which he may have.

If that is the correct family, then the daughter with a very distinctive name is worth looking for in Search All Trees, above.
It is her sister who appears to have entered the information.