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WILLIAM JORDAN BIRTH IRELAND 1870 FARTHER EDWARD JORDAN, WILLIAM JORDAN MARRIED MARTHA BAGGLEY IN STOKE ON TRENT IN 1895 WILLIAM JORDAN WAS DECEASED BEFORE 1936 HE HAD 8 CHILDREN CAN ANY ONE HELP ME ON THIS SUBJECT AS THEY WERE MY GRANDPARENTS MANY THANKS CHRIS.

Eveie,
Christine says that his father was Edward, not James.

Christine, do you have any idea where in Ireland he was born?

1901 doesn't give any clues, unfortunately:-

1901 England Census about William Jordan
Name: William Jordan
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Jordan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Tunstall
Ecclesiastical parish: Tunstall St Mary
Town: Tunstall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Booth Street

Occupation: Ironworker Puddler

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 2590
Folio: 176
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jordan 31
Martha Jordan 30
Edward Jordan 2
Betsy Jordan 11 Months
Susannah Baggley 26
Emily Baggley 22

Can't see the family in 1911 so I'm wondering if they were in Ireland?

No here they are:-

1911 England Census about William Jarden
Name: William Jarden
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil parish: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 78 Navigation Road, Burslem, Stoke On Trent
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 16
Estimated Marriage Year: 1895
Occupation: Workers Labourer
Registration district: Wolstanton
Registration District Number: 360
Sub-registration district: Burslem
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 16498
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jarden 40
Martha Jarden 38
Edward Jarden 12
Betsy Jarden 10
May Jarden 8
Tom Jarden 3
William Jarden 8/12

Married 16yrs.
7 children, 5 living and 2 died.

.............still no clue?

Births Dec 1912
Jordan Winifred Baggley Wolstanton 6b 318

Do you have William's exact date of birth please?

hi cathrine many thanks for your help my mum told me my grandad was bourn in kilarny in ierland? in1870 i believe they lost 2 children bridget died when her nightie caught fire edward killed in the war? william was dead before1936 this is the year my parents were married on the marrage certificate he is deceased you have been a great help if you could give me any info on when he died and where as i have been trying i just can not seem to get any where many many thanks chris.

hi cathrine many thanks for your help my mum told me my grandad was bourn in kilarny? ireland in1870 i believe they lost 2 children Bridget died when her nightie caught fire edward was killed in the war? william was dead before 1936 this is the year my parents were married on the marrage certificate he is deceased you have been a great help if you could give me any info on when he died and where many thanks chris

Christine,
If you know that the father was called Edward, then I assume that you have the marriage certificate. In that case could you give his father's occupation please.
Where there any witnesses that may be siblings of William and what did he give as his address at the time of marriage?

You say his son Edward died in the war, maybe William also died in the war?

As he was noted as deceased on the marriage cert. of your parents, do you know if he was also noted as deceased on any siblings that married at an earlier date?

Did Edward die in WW1? If so, then do you have his army records to see who he noted as next of kin? If he noted his mother, then you know that William must of died before the date that Edward signed up, if not then that would at least narrow down a date!

I know it isn't what you asked for but here it is anyway:-

As Bridget doesn't show on any census records, then I think this is probably her:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Bridget Jordon
Name: Bridget Jordon
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 85
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Bridget Jordan
Name: Bridget Jordan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Age at Death: 3
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 64

This may be Edward?

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Edward Jordan
Name: Edward Jordan
Birth Place: Tunstall, Staffs
Residence: Burslem, Staffs
Death Date: 17 Mar 1917
Death Location: Salonika
Enlistment Location: Tunstall, Staffs
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Wales Borderers
Battalion: 7th Battalion
Number: 19467
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

Hi Catherine,

I would like to thank you for all of your help, we have tried several sites and you are the only one that has been able to help us. Special thanks for finding Bridget and Edward.

We really appreciate your help, we will continue to search for William Jordan.

Occupation of Edward - Labourer, William's occupation - Coal Heaver. The witnesses at Williams wedding were Joseph Thomas Baggley and Minnie Baggley.

Kind Regards,
Christine

Wonder if this may be Martha?


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Martha Jordon
Name: Martha Jordon
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 138

hi thanks for finding martha i am sure this is my grandmorther i have been looking for a while i could not find anying beyound their marriage certificate i had no idea she only lived to the age of 55. many thanks chris great result.

Hi,

What is the easiest way to find out where Martha Jordan was buried?

Thanks,
Chris

Dont know if this could help?


http://www.stoke.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/community-and-living/births-and-deaths/burials/


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Have you considered this death for William - this registration district covered Burslem and Tunstall at the time:

William Jordon
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Wolstanton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 154

The spelling of Jordon is also used on the death for Edward on the commonwealth war graves site, although Ancestry has it as Jordan as Christine has already posted.

Christine...It appears that William and Martha had another child born following their Marriage 1895...Martha's surname is spelt Baggaley/Baddeley..but cross ref shows that mother is Martha Baggley....

William Jordan, Martha Baddeley
William Jordan..Born 1896
Baptism/christening
05 Jan 1897
Baptism/christening place St Mary's Tunstall Stafford,

Christine....This may possibly be the family of Martha.....Note surname is spelled Baggaley

name: Joseph Baggaley
age: 41
gender: Male
birth year: 1840
birthplace: Tunstall, Staffordshire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Potters Dipper
address: 2 Haywood Place
census place: Burslem, Staffordshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341650
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2713 / 40
page number: 30
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Joseph Baggaley M 41 Tunstall, Staffordshire,
wife Susannah Baggaley F 43 Whitchurch, Shropshire,
son Thomas Baggaley M 21 Ferry Bridge, Yorkshire,
daughter Zilphy Baggaley F 18 Tunstall, Staffordshire,
son Simpson Baggaley M 16 Burslem, Staffordshire,
daughter Martha Baggaley F 10 Burslem, Staffordshire,
son Joseph T Baggaley M 8 Burslem, Staffordshire,
daughter Minnie Baggaley F 2 Burslem, Staffordshire,

Susannah and Joseph married 1859 Burslem she was nee Jones

From the BMDs Martha appears was a twin...other child named Mary.(See Below)
other children:

John 1875

Susanna 1877

Emily 1883

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
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BAGGALEY Martha Wolstanton 6b 173
BAGGALEY Mary Wolstanton 6b 173

If you haven't already tried, this site has the parish records for Killarney, Co Kerry and is free (coverage from c1838-1911):

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html

I've had a quick look but no sign of William or father Edward though.