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MYSTERY SOLVED THANKS TO ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

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Alan

Alan Report 15 Feb 2013 19:40

I would welcome any advice as to whether U think I am correct in my thinking. In 1849 0n the Isle of Wight Thomas Burke born c1829 Ireland marrried Mary Louisa Frances Tennes born 1st July 1833 Edinburgh. Thomas was in the Army and was based at Parkhurst Barracks on the IOW.
Now the conumdrem starts. There is no census record that I can find on the 1851 be it in England or Scotland.

A Thomas and Mary Burke are to be found on the 1861 UK census at Aldershot Hampshire with 2 sons. Thomas b 1857 Walmer Kent and William b1860 West Indies. Thomas was still in the Army.

In 1871 a Thomas Burke and Mary are found in Scotland with the same children but he is now a Railway Porter with a pension. Would this be an army pension. The only thing different is that Mary is named as Mary A Burke.

In the 1881 Scottish census again Mary is listed as Mary Ann again as she is in the 1891 census.

Am I clutching at straws? The same children born in India appear on the census'. I don't have access to the Scotish census as they are not on Ancestry.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Many Thanks
Alan :-S :-S

Margee

Margee Report 15 Feb 2013 19:50

Are you sure he didn't marry Maria Timmuchi? From Isle of Wight BMDs:

Year Groom Surname Forename(s) Bride Surname Forename(s) Place Register
held Ref
1849 BURKE Thomas TIMMUCHI Maria St Thomas's Catholic Chapel, Newport With Registrar RO3/92

But Tinnuchi on FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Burke Thomas I of Wight 8 413
Tinnuchi Maria I of Wight 8 413

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 15 Feb 2013 19:52

You could search FindMyPast to see if there are any discharge papers for him in Ref WO97. If his papers have survived, they would tell you when he was discharged although probably won't mention his family, but may tell you where he was going to live.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 Feb 2013 20:01

Have you looked for any earlier births of possible children....and maybe deaths?

8 years after marriage seems quite a long time before the birth of Thomas b. Walmer, so can you be sure they are the same couples?

All the places named could have military connections though...................

Gwyn

George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 15 Feb 2013 20:43

For ref. is this the record you found? Although i cant see them on the 1861 England census either on Anc. or FMP

1871 scotland census,

1871 census transcription details for: Banks, Old Deer
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 228
Folio: 1
Page: 13
Reg. District: Deer
Sub District:
Parish: Old Deer
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Banks, Old Deer
County: Aberdeenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BURKE, Thomas Head Married M 41 1830 Railwy Porter & Pensioner Ireland Galway
BURKE, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1838 Porter's Wife Rossshire
BURKE, William Son M 11 1860 Scholar West Indies Barbadoes
BURKE, John Son M 8 1863 Scholar England Portsmouth
BURKE, Patrick Son M 6 1865 Scholar England Manchester
BURKE, James Son M 5 1866 East Indies Desa
BURKE, Kenneth Son M 3 1868 East Indies Desa
BURKE, Alexander F Son M 1 1870 Strichen, Aberdeenshire

George

trailertrash

trailertrash Report 15 Feb 2013 20:46

They are in Banf, Gamrie in 1881 and 1891 but I cannot find them on the earlier census either.

Mary

Mary Report 15 Feb 2013 21:46

1881 Tranmere cheshire D2 >35
Thomas Burke 1853 railway clerk born Walmer kent
Martha 1854 Davenport
Thomas son 1877 scotland
Patrick Burke 18 born 1863 Manchester (same as on 1871 census above)
So it looks like the same family!

Maryb.

patchem

patchem Report 15 Feb 2013 21:48

As they have several children born abroad, then surely they could be abroad in 1851?

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:01

Am I off track?
Re the 1871 census in Aberdeen
This couple are not old enough to have married in 1833?
EDIT: Misread Alan's original post, sayys married 1849.
Mary A Burke was born in Rosshire circa 1837
She is found on censuses right up until 1901 where her pob remains the same

1861 England Census
about Thomas Burke
Name: Thomas Burke
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Burke
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: Foot Regiment 49th, East Block and Permanent Barracks Aldershot
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 431
Folio: 39
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 32
Mary Burke 26
Thomas Burke 4
William Burke 1

1881 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Burke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntosch, Rossshire
Registration number: 147
Registration district: Banff
Civil parish: Gamrie
County: Banffshire
Address: 21 Gellymill St.
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 130
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_43
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 40
Mary Ann Burke 44
James Burke 15
Kenneth Burke 13
Alexander D F Burke 11
Bridget J Burke 6

1891 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Burke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntoch, Nairnshire
Registration number: 155A/2
Registration district: Macduff
Civil parish: Gamrie
Town: Macduff
County: Banffshire
Address: 14 Institution St
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 189
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_44
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 62
Mary Ann Burke 52
Bridget Jane Burke 16
William Kenneth Burke 3

1901 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntosh, Rosshire
Registration number: 274
Registration district: Barry
Civil parish: Barry
County: Angus
Address: Green Lane Struan Bral
Occupation: Housekeeper
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 129
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_87
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Bremner 65
Robert Bremner 41
Margaret Bremner 35
Christina A Bremner 7
Margaret Maclellan 73
John Maclellan 36
Katherine Maclellan 31
Mary Ann Burke 64
William K Burke 13* same child as 1891
E M Wilson 74








Mary

Mary Report 15 Feb 2013 22:06

Thomas and Mary Ann had bridget jane burke in 1875 Old Deer Aberdeen,a tree on Ancestry has her and it staes her parents were thomas Burke and Mary Ann Mcdonald!!

Maryb.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:12

Thomas Burk
groom's birth date
groom's birthplace
groom's age
bride's nameMary Ann Mcdonald
bride's birth date
bride's birthplace
bride's age
marriage date24 Sep 1855
marriage placeEdinburgh

parentThomas Burke, Mary Anne Mc Donald

nameBridget Jane Burke
genderFemale
baptism/christening date
baptism/christening place
birth date30 Nov 1874
birthplaceOLD DEER,ABERDEEN,SCOTLAND
death date
name note
race
father's nameThomas Burke
father's birthplace
father's age
mother's nameMary Anne Mc Donald

Mary

Mary Report 15 Feb 2013 22:18

So it would seem that Alan is looking for a completely different family?

Maryb.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:21

It would appear so!
I think Margee may have identified the correct couple who married in 1849 Isle of Wight

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Feb 2013 22:33

I cannot find any marriage of a Thomas Burke to the lady you mention.

In fact I can find no record at all of a Mary Louisa Frances Tennet.

You will need the birth certificate of a relevant child to determine the mother's maiden name. Do you have that? You have to work backwards from what you know if you are to research properly.

Margaret

Margee

Margee Report 15 Feb 2013 23:36

Thanks, Anne, I was beginning to think nobody had read my post!

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Feb 2013 00:32

Puzzled as to why the poster says the Scottish census is not on Ancestry.

The transcriptions are for 1841 to 1901 but not the images. You need Scotlandspeople for the images

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 00:38

Thomas did marry Mary Tinnuche [correct spelling] although she was baptised as Tennes. I will evaluate the above. Many thanks for your advice and research
Alan

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 00:57

I don't understand why someone would be baptised as Tennes but married as Tinuche/ Timmuchi/Tinnuchi?

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 01:02

Who is this one then?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi Name: Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870
Registration district: Strand
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 815 (click to see others on page)


HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Feb 2013 07:40

In 1849 0n the Isle of Wight Thomas Burke born c1829 Ireland marrried Mary Louisa Frances Tennes born 1st July 1833 Edinburgh. Thomas was in the Army and was based at Parkhurst Barracks on the IOW.

How have you come by their places of birth please?

Jude