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Help needed on swifts and niel in Ireland please

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blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 09:29

Hi I've looked and looked for a marriage for bartholomew swift and Ellen niel on ancestry but no luck there are bartholomew swifts but not married to Ellen niel I've found there five children's registrations can anyone help

Gins

Gins Report 18 Feb 2013 09:35

You need to give us some more details. When and where in Ireland was this marriage and do you have the bith years for the couple and parents details?

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 09:41

Hi bartholomew birth about 1844 I don't know Ellen's they were based in wexford as the children were all born in wexford any swift 1864 John 1866 Ellen 1869 maryanne 1871 is this any help

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:44

Please say where you got the info about Ellen's surname.

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:45

Have you looked for a marriage on the IGI?

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:47

For INFO only

name: Bartholomew Swift
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 04 Jun 1874
birthplace: Wexford, Ireland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Bartholomew Swift
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ellen Neill
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C70156-4
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 255905
reference number: v 9-2 p 1006

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:48

name: Bartholomew Swift
registration district: Swineford
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1917
estimated birth year: 1842
age (at death): 75
mother's maiden name:
film number: 0101607
volume number: 4
page number: 228
digital folder number: 4201711
image number: 00214

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 09:49

Hi I got Ellen's surname from the children's birh regestrations one is my great grandmother maryanne swift .

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:51



name: Barthow Swift
also known as:
role of individual: Prisoner
event: Prison
event date: 1860
event place: Wexford, Wexford, Ireland
residence: Wexford
age: 17
birthplace:
estimated birth year: 1843
prison: Wexford
offence: Assault
victim:
victim's address:
where convicted:
item: 1
book: 1/40/1
county: Wexford
film number: 2357191
digital folder number: 004492777
image number: 00214
Citing this Record

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name: Bartholemew Swift
also known as:
role of individual: Prisoner
event: Prison
event date: 1871
event place: Wexford, Wexford, Ireland
residence: Wexford
age: 29
birthplace:
estimated birth year: 1842
prison: Wexford
offence: Stealing 6 Hens
victim:
victim's address:
where convicted:
item: 1
book: 1/40/1
county: Wexford
film number: 2357191
digital folder number: 004492777
image number: 00380
Citing this Record

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:54

Is it usual in Ireland to quote the MMN on baptisms if the parents are married?

I have no experience of Irish research.........perhaps someone who has can answer that

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 09:57

1901

Residents of a house 5.2 in Keysers Lane (Wexford Town, Wexford)

Swift Bartholomew 58 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Castlebridge, Co Wexford Mason Cant read - Married -
Swift Thomas 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Wexford Town Mason Read and write

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 10:02

Hi is this bartholomew swift maryannes father .

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 10:05

I don't know...........I posted info found based on his YOB.

What does Mary Anne's marriage cert say about her father's occupation?

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 10:11

Hi just had a look it says Mary Anne swift 20 Mary street wexford father bartholomew swift labourer .

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 10:16

Ps marriage date Sunday 17th August 1890

Alemap

Alemap Report 18 Feb 2013 10:24

For Reggie,

Is it usual in Ireland to quote the MMN on baptisms if the parents are married?

The answer is yes.

Quite often the marriages produce many children, this gives rise to many cousins with the same name. Put together with many female names being Mary or Margaret, etc. It is possible for two males having the same name being married to two women with the same forename. So to differentiate families the mmn is usually used on all parish records (and conversations) even after marriage.

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 10:39

Hi I think bartholomew swift born 1874 is Mary annes brother one I've missed looks like same mother do you think if I send off for his birth cert it may give me more info on Ellen and where she is from . Mary Ann called one off her daughters Ellen who we called Nellie the other poss after great grandfather mother Margaret .

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 10:39

Thanks Pam......I knew someone would have the definitive answer

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 10:40

The birth cert will only give you the woman's name

blondedays

blondedays Report 18 Feb 2013 10:48

Hi just one thing can I look up the prison records for bartholomew .