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John PATERSON & Elizabeth WATSON - Scotland

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۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 23 Feb 2013 14:59

Wondering if Alexander is the one who died in 1916 aged 60, late of Wyndham, buried Fremantle?


GlasgowLass Report 23 Feb 2013 16:53

Hi Cherilyn,
Agnes Annie Paterson first appears on Ers in WA in 1925. ( i cant find her before this at all)
At no point is there a male Paterson in her home, only person in the home is there 1925 and her name is ...AGNES PATERSON.
Married 1904 means that no children born inside marriage would be eligible to vote at 1925, therefore I deduce that this is not a child... agree?

Agnes Annie drops off the rolls in 1949 which is consistent with her death announcement in 1953. and she only had one child called Margaret!

John Alexander Paterson was STILL on Ers in Koolgardie up until 1954.
I have to be honest... JA can be positively identified as the SAME man on all Ers 1903-1954. His wife Lillian Beatrice drops off in keeping with her 1936 death.
However, those 1st two rolls are simply "Commerial Road, Chesterfield, Fremantle" there is no house number. and are the only two Patersons in the area
I have assumed that JA and Agnes lived at the "Same" property perhaps they were in different houses?
1903 and 1906: Commercial Road, Fremantlle
1910 & 1916 JA and Lillian Beatrice at: 78 Hanbury Street, Kalgoorlie
1925- 1943: 194 Piccadilly St, Kalgoorlie
Lilian Beatrice drops off, consistent with her death .
Chldren: John Hogarth, and Harold George. Females Isabella Elizabeth and Marie Adele
1954: 4 Elizabeth Street, Cottlesloe,
Lives with Harold George and Marie Adele

Ancestry server has crashed!... but does anyone know when John Alexander Paterson died?
I find it really odd that there is no death announcement.... from the other articles on him, he was a well known man who seems to have been highly regarded.
He was secretary of the AEU when his wife died

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Alexander Paterson
Name: John Alexander Paterson
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 76
Registration Year: 1955
Registration Place: East Coolgardie, Western Australia
Registration number: 112
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 24 Feb 2013 03:00

HI again Anne

Yes sadly John died after the newspapers finish on Trove! But my friend has his death certificate and it does not mention an earlier marriage or child.

So are Agnes PATERSON and Agnes Annie PATERSON the same woman?

Looking at the Anc search I can see:
Agnes PATERSON in Fremantle (1903, 1906), Coolgardie (1910), Kalgoorlie (1916), and Perth (1925).
Agnes Annie PATERSON in Perth (1925 - 1949).

I am wondering if the 1925 ones are the same person and she has added her middle name to her enrolment; sometimes the old listing is not removed straight away (also happens with chaneg of address too, old one still appears so seems like a duplicate).

There is also an Agnes Howie PATERSON in Fremantle and then Kalgoorlie (she died in 1963 aged 88). And Agnes Edith PATERSON, but she was the wife of Cedric John...

An Alexander PATERSON is in Swan in 1903 and Fremantle in 1906, later in Dampier & Kagoorlie (may be 2 I think).

So JA shows as a fireman in all rolls? And he and Agnes are both shown as Commercial Rd, Fremantle in 1903 & 1906?

What occupation does Agnes/Agnes Annie show up as?

Where is Alexander PATERSON living in Fremantle in 1906?

Daughter Margaret Alexander PATERSON shows up as MEPHAM 1936-58.

Sorry about all the questions, just trying to get it straight in my mind!

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 24 Feb 2013 03:19

Odd how Lilian Beatrice does not show up on the rolls as HOGARTH, her maiden name, in 1903 & 1906. She was 26 in 1905 when she married JA. I guess since women had only just been given the right to vote, maybe some had not yet enrolled!


GlasgowLass Report 24 Feb 2013 10:39

Hi Cherilyn,
Yes JA shows as a fireman or engine man on most rolls.
An article in trove also shows he obtained a 1st class merit as an engine driver.
Later, he is a Engine Turner.

On the 1903 and 1906 rolls, Agnes Paterson shows simply as Home Duties.
Same with Agnes Annie on all rolls.

If JA and Agnes do live in the same house at 03 & 06, I would hazzard a guess that she is his sister or other relative.

I just find it odd that both JA and tthe widow of Alexander Paterson, both seem to appear with an unidentified woman called Agnes Paterson.

I did look at all the other men called Alexander Paterson in WA, and all were the only Patersons at their addressses and I am sure Agnes Annie's husband was a labourer. There was nothing to be gleaned here.

I am certain that the info on JA will be found on his obit, it may mention siblings.
However, there were no In laws mentioned on Lillians obit.

Lastly, and it just a thought. If he as of Scottish descent, it is more likely that his middle name of Alexander was the last name ( surname) of a grandparent.

Will PM you.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 25 Feb 2013 06:30

Thank you Anne for your time and help, much appreciated!!! :-D