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Help Needed, Flaxby Yorkshire Arthur Rose

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Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:16

1911 census


Person: VAYRO, Martha Ann Address: Killerby Cottages Catterick

VAYRO, John Head M 48 1863 Horseman On Farm Clifton Lodge Bedale VIEW
VAYRO, Martha Ann Wife Married26 years F 43 1868 Thirsk VIEW
VAYRO, James Henry Grandson M 4 1907 Scorton Nr Darlington VIEW

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:22

1911 census


Person: VOLLANS, Stanley Arthur James Address: 31 Regent Parade Harrogate

SMITH, Mary Head Single F 55 1856 House Keeper Yorks Knaresbro VIEW
VOLLANS, Stanley Arthur James Boarder Single M 18 1893 Brewers Labourer Yorks Goldsbro VIEW

Ian

Ian Report 27 Feb 2013 18:52

Thanks everyone, still not at the bottom of arthur rose story, but some pieces of the puzzle are coming together, and my family is growing! all help greatly appreciated!!

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Feb 2013 09:02

Until you invest in his marriage cert, you are not going to get very far

Ian

Ian Report 28 Feb 2013 09:26

Hi Reggie, Have ordered same yesterday, Thanks!!

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Feb 2013 11:22

When it arrives, let us know the details.......including the names of witnesses.

Ian

Ian Report 1 Mar 2013 10:23

Hi Reggie, I didnt get the copy yet but one of my distant relatives has a copy. unfortunately communication with him takes time. I might get my own copy before he send me a copy of his!

however he did say as follows,

I've had problems researching Arthur Rose. 1911 census sows him on board a RN ship in the Med b c1885. However, his marriage certificate to your grandmother gives his birth c1888! The handwriting is not easy but his father's name looks to be Arthur Vollands Rose, farmer but I cannot find him in a census.

rgds
Ian

patchem

patchem Report 1 Mar 2013 19:29

Do you mean this census entry, born Exeter??
1911 England Census
Arthur Rose Age in 1911: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Private
Birth Place: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil parish: Mediterranean County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England Marital Status: Single
Registration District Number: 640 Piece: 34973

In your first post you put that he was born about 1892.
Do you know when and where he died?

Added:
This death?
Arthur Rose
Birth Date: 6 Sep 1888
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1975
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Claro
Inferred County: North Yorkshire
Volume: 2
Page: 1842

This is the only Devon birth:
Births Dec 1885
Rose Arthur St. Thomas 5b 44

Ian

Ian Report 1 Mar 2013 20:30

Hi Patchem, Not sure if he was born in exeter but his death I think you have it.
He died in Flaxby (district Claro) and about 1975 is correct as it fits with my memory.
I will ask my mother next chance.

I have ordered his marriage vert so lets see what it turns up.

he was a sailor in WW1 in battle of Jutland
tks a lot
ian

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Mar 2013 09:33

No records of any sort on freebmd for Arthur Voll* Rose

I think he may have been invented, which would fit your theory that Arthur was illegitimate.

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Mar 2013 09:35

?????????????

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)

ROSE Arthur Thirsk 9d 417

Ian

Ian Report 2 Mar 2013 10:04

Hi Reggie, could be an invented name of course as you say. However the Vollans family were always and still are considered as "family" so there is a link somewhere.
I should have done this 20 yrs ago when my mothers older sisters were still living!

It also fits somehow to my mothers memory that her father Arthur Rose would set off early morning on his bicycle and return late evening from their house in Flaxby to visit "family"
There is no other family I am aware of (excluding Vollans) who lived anywhere near the range for bicycle. The Vollans to my knowledge had a lot in this range.

The Rose Thirsk, looks positive and I will have to ask my relatives in the area if they can also help.

thanks again for yours!!
rgds. Ian

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Mar 2013 11:54

Esther Elizabeth Rose married Arthur Vollans after the possible/probable birth of Arthur..........

I think that's worth investigating further................

1891 census may prove useful....... perhaps someone will provide the info

The 1911 census for them (page one) says there were 11 children born in the marriage, of whom 1 had died, but that does not, of course, allow for any children born before the marriage

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Mar 2013 12:01

The child who died.........

Deaths Sep 1909 (>99%)
VOLLANS Walter Henry 0 Wetherby 9a 76

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Mar 2013 12:08

I think this scuppers the 1888 Thirsk birth as a possibility

1911 census

Person: ROSE, Arthur Address: Glencoe House Crosby Terrace Northallerton
Cost


ROSE, Arthur Head Married M 22 1889 Cycle And Motor Maker Northallerton Yorks VIEW
ROSE, Daisy Wife Married2 years F 24 1887 Dressmaker Warrington Lancs VIEW
ROSE, Phyliss Daughter F 1 1910

patchem

patchem Report 2 Mar 2013 12:53

Reggie,
There are 2 Arthur Rose's, the one born at Thirsk moves to Northallerton.
They need careful sorting out.
Births Sep 1888
ROSE Arthur Thirsk 9d 417
Births Jun 1889
Rose Arthur Nthallerton 9D 664A
I still want to know why he claims born in Exeter if that 1911 census is correct. Age out because he lied to get into Navy?

Ian

Ian Report 30 Mar 2013 21:35

Hi All, Finally got my Grandfathers Marriage cert sent here to Germany.
Married Nov 25 1916, Parish Church of East Stonehouse, Devon.
Aged 28 yrs, Father Arthur Vollans Rose, Farmer.
Witnessed by George Ryles ( i think his new Father in Law)
George Henry Ryles ( Brother in Law)
Margaret Louise Ryles ( Sister in Law)

At time of marriage he was leading seaman RN (on active service)

Not sure if it helps, but the link to the Vollans family seems to be here

rgds Ian

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 31 Mar 2013 06:39

1901 census
Arthur Vollans 1869 Escrick Yorkshire occ garden labourer
Esther Elizabeth wife 1864 Pickhill Yorks
Arthur son 1889 Pickhill
Alfred son 1891 Copgrove Yorks
Alice Maud dau1893 Goldesborough Yorks
Herbert son 1895 Coneythorpe Yorks
William son 1897 Noth Deighton Yorks
Annie Elizabeth dau 1899 Little Ribstone Yorks
Emily Mary dau 2 months Little Ribstone Yorks
Matilda Vollans sister 1862 Escrick Yorks

patchem

patchem Report 31 Mar 2013 10:03

1891 England Census
Arthur Vollans Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther E Vollans
Gender: Male Where born: Escrick, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Copgrove Ecclesiastical parish: Copgrove
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
egistration district: Great Ouseburn Sub-registration district: Boroughbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 3515 Folio: 72 Page Number: 12
Arthur Vollans 22
Esther E Vollans 21
Arthur Vollans 2
Alfred Vollans 9/12
Alicia Vollans 19
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3515; Folio: 72; Page: 12; GSU Roll: 6098625.