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Annie Verdon - Cannot find her - possibly french?

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Ruth

Ruth Report 12 Mar 2013 09:00

Can anyone help me find Annie Verdon who I have been told by family had french parents.

I have no age or birth locations details for her and the first time I can locate details of her is at the birth of her son Edward in 1867 and his baptism All Saints, Poplar on 3 July 1868.
I also cannot find her on any cencus records at all.

She had 4 children of which the father was Edward Chater 1835 – 1908 from Warwickshire, Fenny Compton
Edward Verdon Chater 1867 – 1869 died ages 2yrs
Annie Sarah Chater 1868 Poplar, London – ? (married at age of 24)
Alfred Thomas Chater 1869 – 1869 died at birth
Emma Emily Chater 1870 Poplar, London – 1956

It doesn't look like Annie married Edward as Edward married a Louise in 1888 and was described as bachelor. Louise was a widow who was Edward's housekeeper.

I can find Annie's two surviving daughters living with Louise the housekeeper in 1881 as Edward was in hospital, and then Edward and Louise, now married, with surviving daughter Annie in 1891.

I cannot find any of the family in 1871 although know from baptism records that Edward and Annie lived in 4 Peabody Place, Lion St, Poplar

I have plenty on the family after 1891 but nothing at all on Annie Verdon.
Can anyone help me find Annie Verdon please?

Fredk

Fredk Report 12 Mar 2013 09:13

There is this but a bit young

1881 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 14, Grove Road
Parish Tottenham
District Edmonton, Tottenham
Administrative County Middlesex
Householder 1
Name Lucy Verdon
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Purveyor Of Water
Birth Place Stepney
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 2
Name Annie E Verdon
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Sister
Occupation Purveyor Of Water
Birth Place Edmonton
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 3
Name Richard H Verdon
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Brother
Occupation Waterman
Birth Place Edmonton
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 4
Name Levinous H Verdon
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Relationship to Head of Household Brother
Occupation
Birth Place Edmonton
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 5
Name Fanny Verdon
Age 65
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Aunt
Occupation
Birth Place Stroud
Birth County Kent

Fredk

Fredk Report 12 Mar 2013 09:26

Same one in 1891

1891 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 7, Blurton Road
Parish Hackney
District Hackney, West Hackney
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Mina Verdon
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Embroideress
Birth Place Hackney
Birth County London
Householder 2
Name Annie Verdon
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Sister
Occupation Embroideress
Birth Place Edmonton
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 3
Name Richard H Verdon
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Brother
Occupation
Birth Place Edmonton
Birth County Middlesex

Fredk

Fredk Report 12 Mar 2013 09:33

Again


1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 143 High Street Newark Lodge Sydenham
Parish Lewisham
Town Newark Lodge Sydenham
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms Twelve 12
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN2809 RG78PN96 RD29 SD4 ED3 SN28
Administrative County London
Registration District Lewisham
Registration Sub District Sydenham
Enumeration District 3
Householder 1
Name Annie Verdon
Relationship to Head of Household Housekeeper
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 56
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Occupation Private Means
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Edmonton Midx
Householder 2
Name Mina Verdon
Relationship to Head of Household Housekeeper
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 58
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Occupation Private Means
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Edmonton Midx

safc

safc Report 12 Mar 2013 09:34

????

Name: Emma E Chater
Age (Original): 10
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1871
Birthplace: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: 20 Dod St
Event Place: Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341103
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 469 / 49
Page Number: 23
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Daughter Head Annie P Chater F 12 Poplar, Middlesex, England
Daughter Emma E Chater F 10 Poplar, Middlesex, England
House Keeper Louisa Comber F 35 Lingfield, Surrey, England

Ruth

Ruth Report 12 Mar 2013 09:42

Thanks for the replies.

Safc - the 1871 cencus you found is Annies daughters Emma and Annie Sarah with their housekeeper Louise who goes on to maary Edward later.

Edward was in hospital for this cencus but I don't know what for.
The eldest daughter Annie Sarah is put down as head of house, maybe as she was the eldest living family member in the home of that time.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Mar 2013 10:02

Do you know Father of Edward 1888 Marriage?...

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
CHATER Edward Poplar 1c 809
TAYLOR Louisa Poplar 1c 809

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
Chater Edward Poplar 1c 1144 (Widower)
Wilkinson Sarah Ann Poplar 1c 1144 (Widow)

(both above have Thomas as Father, Blacksmith)


Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Chater Edward Bethnal Green 1c 379
COMBER Louisa Bethnal Green 1c 379
Nicholson John Bethnal Green 1c 379
PERFECT Susannah Bethnal Green 1c 379


Ruth

Ruth Report 12 Mar 2013 10:26

Edward's father was Thomas who was a blacksmith.
I've seen the third marriager to Sarah before and someone has it on a tree but I haven't been able to veryfy it is the same Edward although family bibles / letters hint at a third marriage as Louise died atthe age of approx 45 ish.

Her step daughter annie,edward's eldest daughter, was devasted at her death.

One suggestion is that Annie Verdon was in prison but I've found nothing to veify that yet.

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Mar 2013 10:44

1871 census


Person: CHUTER, Emma Address: New North Road North Star, Ealing, Brentford
Cost

CHUTER, Louisa Head F 28 1843 Middlesex VIEW
CHUTER, Emma ? F 2 1869 Middlesex


It seems that Edward used Annie for producing children, but didn't let her live with him, or them.

Was Louisa perhaps barren?

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Mar 2013 10:55

You can find out when Louisa died by using freebmd.

Does the possible marriage to Sarah precede that date? Or follow it?

The cert would confirm whether or not it is for the Edward you are researching, as would the 1901 census

EDIT

QED

1901 census
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Person: CHATERS, Edward Address: 30, Kirbey Street, Poplar

CHATERS, Edward Head Married M 68 1833 Bricklayers Lab
Fenny Comney, Warwickshire VIEW
CHATERS, Sarah Wife Married F 58 1843
Welton, Norfolk VIEW Piece: 352 Folio: 42 Page: 34 Registration District: Poplar Civil Parish: Poplar Municipal Borough: Address: 30, Kirbey Street, Poplar County: London

safc

safc Report 12 Mar 2013 11:00

????

Name: Ann Verdon
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Birthplace: Yorkshire
Schedule Type: Institution
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub-District: St John
Parish: St George, East
County: London, Middlesex

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Mar 2013 11:18

The one posted above for 1871 says she is married, and a needlewoman

safc

safc Report 12 Mar 2013 11:20

????

Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
Butler Joseph Leominster 6a 856
VERDON George Levinous Leominster 6a 856
Weaver Susan Leominster 6a 856
WOOD Annie Leominster 6a 856

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Mar 2013 11:25

Name: Sarah Ann Wilkinson (Widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 57
Spouse Name: Edward Chater (Widower. Labourer)
Spouse Age: 65
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1899
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Skelter (Game Keeper?)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chater (Blacksmith)
Register Type: Parish Register
(address, 30, Kirbey Street (him) 34, Tablett? Street (her)

Chris :)

(address as 1901)

Ruth

Ruth Report 12 Mar 2013 11:42

Annie lived with Edward in 4 Peabody Place, Lion St, Poplar according to the baptism records for child Edward (died aged 2) and daughter Annie Sarah.

I can't find anything for 1871 for Annie, Edward and children Emma and Annie Sarah. Nor can I find anything for Louise or her then husband Mr Comber.

Edward re married after Louises death but I didn't really have much info on that but that daughter Annie did not approve. She was devasted over Louises death.
The above possible record for 1871 and the one for Annie look interesting.

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Mar 2013 11:54

Well, you've been given the marriage info now!

As for Louisa......there is no record of a marriage to Comber

Ruth

Ruth Report 12 Mar 2013 12:28

yes, its really great.

I'm having a look at varients of Comber, mayber Coomer, Coomber etc so hopefully will find something.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 18:38

Name: Edward Chater (Bachelor), Labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Age: 47
Spouse Name: Louisa Taylor (Spinster), No occupation given
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jan 1882
Parish: Poplar Christ Church
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Chater, Blacksmith
Spouse Father Name: James Taylor, Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register


Address for both 12 Barque(?) Street

Witnesses Matthew Neal and Ann Maria Williamson.

Louisa signed and Edward made his mark


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 18:49

The 1888 marriage - I wonder if they re-married because one of them was not actually free to marry in 1882? Same fathers as the 1882 marraige although both are now deceased.


Name: Louisa Comber WIDOW
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 42
Spouse Name: Edward Chater (Bachelor), Labourer
Spouse Age: 54
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Aug 1888
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Taylor
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chater
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both just given as Bethnal Green.

Witnesses W. H. Smith and Annie Watson

This time both signed the register

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Mar 2013 19:16

This looks like Louisa with her parents in 1861

Name: Louisa Taylor
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Taylor
Mother's name: Elizabeth Taylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Lingfield, Surrey, England

Civil parish: East Grinstead
Town: East Grinstead
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub-registration district: East Grinstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 579
Folio: 16
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
James Taylor 59
Elizabeth Taylor 56
Charles Taylor 17
Louisa Taylor 15
Maria Taylor 20



There are Combers on the same page.

Name: William Comber
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Comber
Gender: Male
Where born: East Grinstead, Sussex, England

Civil parish: East Grinstead
Town: East Grinstead
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub-registration district: East Grinstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 579
Folio: 16
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
William Comber 42
Elizabeth Comber 40
Charles Comber 12
Emily Comber 9
George Comber 7
Eliza Comber 2
Thomas Ellis 46



Perhaps she married one of the sons of that family?