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william howarth

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georgina

georgina Report 18 Mar 2013 20:46

william howarth born 1887? married elizabeth black 1913 joined the manchester bantams sometime during ww1. how will i find out his regement?and service number? have his wedding cert but unfortunatly his father also named william was deceased.i know that after ww1 they lived in widnes lancs and had 3 sons john ,william ,george. cannot find any info on if he had any brothers or sisters etc. died around 1947/9.
any help would be gratefull
georgina

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Mar 2013 20:54

Hello Georgina, where was he born? (If there's more than one of that name then that would help), but one of the problems is that over 60% of WW1 records were destroyed during WW2.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 Mar 2013 20:59

How do you know the name of the regiment ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 Mar 2013 21:11

1911 but only because of the registration district

Name: William Howarth
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stockton Heath, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Stockton Heath
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Whitefield Rd Stockton Heath
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 21606
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Howarth 50
Ellen Howarth 45
William Howarth 20
Alfred Howarth 14
Denne Howarth 19
Mennie Howarth 19
Jessie Howarth 8
Mary Howarth 4



Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Black Elizabeth A Howarth Runcorn 8a 670
Cook Thomas Deakin Runcorn 8a 670
Deakin Jessie Cook Runcorn 8a 670
Howarth William Black Runcorn 8a 670

Lynski

Lynski Report 18 Mar 2013 21:27

Related thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321138

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 Mar 2013 21:55

Oh bother :-P

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 26 Mar 2013 04:21

continue using this posting please Georgina and delete the latest one

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Mar 2013 08:34

These are the regimental #s of William Howarths in the Manchester Regiment taken from their medal cards after a search on the national archives website.
2401, 2830, 3396, 3592, 4701, 12369, 33335, 38053, 38505, 43747, 63849, 276070, 277106, 301717
[some have multiple medal cards]

The 35th Division was largely comprised of locally raised units known as "Bantams", manned by troops who were under the normal regulation minimum height of 5 feet 3 inches.
After early training near home, the units concentrated in June 1915 in North Yorkshire.
On 28 January 1916 the Division began to cross the English Channel and by early on 6 February all units were concentrated east of St Omer. (Note: it follows that no man who was with the original contingent of this Division was awarded the 1914-1915 Star).

The order of battle of the 35th Division
104th Brigade
23rd Bn, the Manchester Regiment disbanded February 1918
etc
etc
http://www.1914-1918.net/35div.htm

Some medal cards give the precise unit the soldier was in.
Abt 30% of soldiers have a service record that (at least partly) survived the fire that destroyed the other 70%.
I doubt that all 14 service #s belonged to Wm Howarths that survived the war
Some of the 14 will belong to non-bantam units that went to France in 1914/15, and so got the 1914 or 1914-15 Stars.

Apart from a free deaths search at the CWGC site, you'll need access to Ancestry (maybe at your local library) to check some of these out.

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 10:38

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1322075

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 12:36

Georgina, there's not much point in asking for further help when you've marked the thread as answered - that indicates that you don't need any more help. If you look at the list of threads on this board yours has a green tick in the "Answered" column. That happens when you click the answered button on any post on here - in this case you clicked Glitterbaby's near the top. I know it seems daft but clicking one reply affects the whole thread.

To remove the answered tick then go to your very first post at the top of this page and there will be a button that says something like "mark this as unanswered" - click that.

I have to say though that many researchers (myself included) tend to avoid helping on threads when there are other threads about the same person/family as it means we've got to read through those too to make sure we don't duplicate what's on them. That's why there is the one thread per person/family rule.

You've been given advice on the other threads about removing the answered tick and also it's been suggested you delete the other threads (I've had a look and there isn't really anything on them that isn't on here).

Go to those other threads, go to the first post you made on them and then click "delete".

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 Mar 2013 13:09

georgina

You have at least THREE threads about his man.....all of them 'marked as answered'

ONE post per topic is the GR rule

Have you done any research yourself?

georgina

georgina Report 31 Mar 2013 18:33

i have done loads of research but seem to get nowhere!!! i have obtained pictures of possible william howarth in 3 regiments in ww1 have tried many family trees no luck, have looked on various other tree sights put in what data i have but always seem to come unstuck due to unsure wher he was born Ithink it was salford but cannot cinfirm this even thought of contacting 14-18 researchers to see what they may be able to research. tried war records,regimental archives museum no luck as yet. posted on forums no luck . dont know what else to do?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 23:38

Georgina, I wouldn't hold your breath regarding service records. As I've already said, over 60% of WW1 records were destroyed in September 1940 when a German bomb hit the War Office archives in London. Sometimes we hit lucky but more often we don't when looking for such records.

Even if his records had survived then because he was married pre 1914 then I believe his wife would have been named as next of kin so I doubt service records in this case would take you further back.

On his marriage certificate does it give a specific address for him? Who were the witnesses? (In case they were family members).