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Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill

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WhiffingSiggs

WhiffingSiggs Report 29 Mar 2013 15:08

Trying to find a record of birth and mother's name. Father was Rev. Eustace Hill and she married Henry Close-Smith in 1948. She is listed on The Peerage.com. I'd be grateful for any assistance.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 15:15

What part of the world might she have been born in, and when?

Have you been unable to find a marriage for her father?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Mar 2013 15:22

Her husband was born in 1918 and they married in 1948 so she was probably born between 1918 and 1930.

Kath. x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Mar 2013 15:27

Kathleen, you could really do with her marriage cert in order to ascertain her age, and the witnesses might offer more clues also.
Jan

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Mar 2013 15:28

It's not me who's looking for this Jan. The poster is Kevin. I took the details from the Peerage website. I can't find a marriage in 1948 in England.

Her son was born in 1951 in Kensington, London and her daughter was born in Chelmsford, Essex in 1954.

Kath. x

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Mar 2013 15:29

this is from the peerage for reference

Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill
F, #491663

Last Edited=23 Aug 2011
Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill is the daughter of Reverend Eustace Hill.2 She married Henry Temple Close-Smith, son of Major Thomas Close Smith and Caroline Mary Elizabeth Morgan-Grenville, on 3 June 1948.1
From 3 June 1948, her married name became Close-Smith.
Children of Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill and Henry Temple Close-Smith

Richard Henry Close-Smith2 b. 3 Apr 1951
Caroline Mary Close-Smith+2 b. 17 Mar 1954

Citations

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Mar 2013 15:33

Marriages Jun 1948
Close-Smith Henry T Hill Maidstone 5b 1453
Hill Cicely M W Close-Smith Maidstone 5b 1453

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Mar 2013 15:36

I've found the 1948 marriage now. Don't know why it didn't come up the first time I looked!!

Kath. x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 15:43

Maybe her birth?


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Hill Cecil Parr Prescot 8b 1584
Hill Cecile M W Byles Paddington 1a 135 ******
Births Mar 1913 (>99%)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 15:57

Is this her father in 1911?

HODGES, George Head Married M 59 1852 Clergyman Established Church London Middlesex
HODGES, Agnes Helena Wife Married34 years F 57 1854 Gravesend Kent
HODGES, Agnes Maud Daughter Single F 29 1882 Stoke E England Suffolk
HODGES, George Edmund James Son Single M 17 1894 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HODGES, Reginald Sanders Son Single M 15 1896 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HILL, Eustace Visitor Single M 39 1872 Clergyman Established Church Honiton Devonshire <<
CALTON, Ada Servant Single F 32 1879 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
BEATH, Alice Servant Single F 20 1891 Edwardstone Suffolk

RG number: RG14 Piece: 10621
Reference: RG14PN10621 RG78PN570 RD207 SD2 ED10 SN319
Registration District: Bury St Edmunds
Sub District: Bury St Edmunds
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Bury St Edmunds

Address: 3 Churchyard Bury St Edmunds County: Suffolk

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:14

According to this, Cicely M W Hill was born 1924:

http://www.william1.co.uk/w194.htm (scroll down)

D2. Elizabeth Cator, of Bournemouth, Hampshire, Md. 1922, Rev. Edward Eustace Hill, Rector of North Cray, Kent, + 1958.
E1. Richard Eustace Cator Hill, Lt., R.N., * 1924, + 1950.
E2. John Edward Hill, * 1931.
E3. Mary Elizabeth Hill, * 1923, Md. 1942, James Bryan Bellew, 7th Baron Bellew of Barmeath, * 1920, + 2010.
E4. Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill, * 1924, Md. 1949, Capt. Henry Temple Close-Smith, * 1918, s. of Maj. Thomas Close Smith, of Boycott Manor, Buckingham,

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 16:16

His full title;


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Reverend Eustace St Clair Hill
Name: Reverend Eustace St Clair Hill
Probate Date: 25 Mar 1953
Death Date: 12 Feb 1952
Death Place: Hampshire, England
Registry: Exeter

Unfortunately it doesn't name any kin

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:18

Dee, I think Cicely's father was actually Edward Eustace Hill - just found the above.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 16:20

I wonder if she fudged her age and year of birth. This looks like a sisters birth;


England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Betty D W Hill
Name: Betty D W Hill
Mother's Maiden Surname: Byles
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 86 (click to see others on page)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:25

Dee, I think her mother was Elizabeth Cator, as above.

Possible probate for father:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Reverend Edward Eustace Hill
Probate Date: 9 Mar 1959
Death Date: 1 Dec 1958
Death Place: Bournemouth, England lived Flat 2, 31 Grove Road
Registry: London, England

Probate to widow Elizabeth. Effects £6,702 16s 4d

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:35

Death of her husband:

United Kingdom and Ireland Obituary Collection

Name of Deceased: Henry Temple Close-Smith
Death Date: 28 Aug 2011
Cause of Death: Alzheimer's
Obituary Date: 7 Sep 2011
Newspaper Title: The Times
Newspaper Location: London, City of London, England
Spouse's Name: Cicely
Childrens' Names: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (deleted them)

WhiffingSiggs

WhiffingSiggs Report 29 Mar 2013 21:12

Sorry to disappear, this all looks very helpful, plenty to work on, thank you all very much.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 07:17

Hi Kevin, it's quite confusing because there are two clergymen called Eustace Hill and just a few years apart in age.

Even more confusing is that there's the birth reg that BMD posted above for a Cecile MW Hill born 1912 but there doesn't appear to be a reg for the Cicely born 1924.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:21

This is that marriage to Elizabeth Cator

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
CATOR Elizabeth Hill Malling 2a 1735
CHAPMAN Alice M Stewart Malling 2a 1735
Cox Tom F Orwell Medway 2a 1735
HILL Edward E Cator Malling 2a 1735


Two children (listed above in the ER)

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
HILL Mary E Cator Malling 2a 1352
Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
Hill John E Cator Malling 2a 1344

So just WHO are Cicily and Richard Wustace Cator Hill?

There is a tree on Ancestry has Richard Eustace as the son of Edward Eustace and Elizabeth born 01/06/1924. Also these two children (deceased) and a private one (still living) - maybe Richard and Cicily were twins? And born outside of England/Wales?

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:27

Well this nails down Richard Eustace but ther'e not an England/Wales birth for him as far as I can see

Lieutenant, H.M.S. Glory died 28th January 1950
Son of Rev Edward Eustace and Elizabeth nee Cator of Bournemouth, Hampshire

Buried at Capuccini (Kalkara) Naval Cemetery, Malta

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/malta-h-m-forces-in-addolorata-2c-pembroke-2c-imtarfa-and-capuccini-cemeteries-foreign-office-and-scotland-yard/p70258-hill-2c-richard-eustace-cator.html