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Karen

Karen Report 10 Apr 2013 19:12

If anyone has access to Irish records could they please help?

Looking for birth, census, or marriage for Annie Therese Cotter born 1883-1885 in Ardmooe, Waterford, Ireland. Father called Micheal Cotter.

From 1911 census in England Annie was married in 1906 to John Williams.
I cannot find this marriage, was it in Ireland?

Daughter Eileen Williams was born 1908 Newbridge, Kildare, Ireland.

Annie and John did marry in Woolwich, London, England in 1915.

Any help would be appreciated. Karen


George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 10 Apr 2013 19:17

Have you looked onthe Irish census for 1901, its free

see link

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

George

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Apr 2013 19:20

Hi Karen, are you sure it was 1916 they married?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Annie Cotter
Spouse : John Williams
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1827

(No middle name, though)

Karen

Karen Report 10 Apr 2013 19:23

No I haven't George. I'll have a look now.

Thanks Karen

Karen

Karen Report 10 Apr 2013 19:25

Hi Marie, yes it was 1915, sorry for mistake.


Thanks

Karen

Karen Report 10 Apr 2013 20:38

Hi George

Have found two possibles. Thanks for link to site.

Karen

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 16:56

Could do with some more help please.

If Anyone has got access to Irish Records could they please look on the 1891 census for this family.

Residents of a house 30 in Cross Street (Fermoy Urban, Cork) from 1901 Census

Micheal Cotter b. abt. 1840 Cork head
Kate b. abt 1843 Cork wife
Annie b. abt 1883 Cork dau
Mary b. abt 1877 Cork dau
Hannah b abt 1885 Cork dau. Hannah was not on the 1901 census but was on the 1911 census, I'm trying to establish if Annie and Hannah are sisters or the same person., and that this is Annie Cotter's family.

I have not been able to find the birth of Annie Therese Cotter in Cork Ireland abt 1883 Father's name is Michael Cotter.

Thanks

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 17:21

Hello Karen, sadly the only Irish census available are the 1901 & 1911

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 17:35

Oh dear :-(

Thanks.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 17:38

I've had a look at those 1901 & 1911 census and there's a strong possibility that Annie and Hannah are the same person, those names are interchangeable and birth dates can be variable.

However, I don't think it would be your Annie's family if she was already in England in 1911?

EDIT: What was Michael's occupation on the marriage certificate? The one in Fermoy in 1911 was a mason.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Apr 2013 17:44

The 1901/1911 Census shows all the Cotter family were born in the County Cork so this would not connect to your Annie Theresa b Ardmore in the Co Waterford...

What led you to the Co Cork Cotters' as a possibility....?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 18:00

Karen, where did you get the middle name of Therese from as it's not on the 1915 marriage record or the 1911 English census?

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:02

Hi Marie

I agree with you. I'm searching for a relative who seems to think that this the right family as he remembers talk of his Father's Aunt Hannah.

Annie was in England in 1911 but we don't know if the rest of her family stayed in Ireland.

Occupation on marriage certificate in 1915 General Labourer deceased.

Eringobragh
My relative was told Annie came from Youghal not sure if that is in the Ardmore Waterford district where she states on 1911 census. Fermoy isn't too far away from Cork so he seems too think it's possible.

Karen

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:04

Marie

Middle name is from relative.

Karen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 18:14

Karen, I've been to Fermoy and it is in County Cork, about 25 miles from Cork itself.

Ardmore is about 30 miles from Fermoy and about 10 miles from Youghal.

Personally, I'd be concentrating on Waterford, not Cork.

I think the fact that Michael was a general labourer rules out the Fermoy man, who was a mason.

Did Annie die in Birmingham in 1951?

EDIT: Just checked my map and Youghal appears to be in Cork, whereas Ardmore is Waterford although they're not too far apart.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 18:22

Just out of curiosity, is this her husband John in 1911?

1911 census transcription details for: Moolton, MOOLTAN & LUCKNOW BARRACKS
Military details: Pte 413 1st L N Lancs

National Archive Reference: RG14PN12063 RG78PN673 RD251 SD2 ED13 SN1
Reg. District: Pewsey
Sub District: Collingbourne
Parish: North Tidworth
Enum. District: 13
Address: North Tidworth Andover Hampshire
County: Wiltshire

Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WILLIAMS, John Married ? 29 1882 Liverpool Lancs
WILLIAMS, Annie Wife Married5 years F 26 1885 Ardmere Waterford Resid
WILLIAMS, Eileen Daughter F 3 1908 Newbridge Kildare Resid

It's the same place as Annie and Eileen are. (I've now added them)

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:24

Marie

Like I said I don't think it's the right family, just can't get anywhere at all with Annie's family.

Not sure when Annie died but think it was S.E London maybe Woolwich as I have found her on the electoral Reg. up to about 1940.

John Williams died in 1924 Bromley.

Karen

Karen

Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 19:16

Yes Marie that's them.

And I think this is John on the 1901 census

Name: John Williams
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Canterbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury St Gregory the Great
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Canterbury
Sub-registration district: Canterbury
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks Canterbury

Only thing here is he is with a different regiment to 6th D guards not sure if soldiers can change regiment.

How did you find out his regiment number?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 23:02

Hi Karen - the regiment number was just what was on the census.

They can change regiments - I'll have a shufti through service records and see if there's anything there.

Liam

Liam Report 28 Apr 2013 01:39


Although Youghal is in County Cork it is on the border of Cork and Waterford,it was also the registration district for BMD in parts of Waterford which would also include Ardmore, Clashmore.

Edit.
Could these be connected to your Cotter's. ?
Taken from Griffiths Valuation 1848/68 for Ardmore.
Johanna Cotter , Lissarow, Ardmore.
John Cotter, Lissarow, Ardmore.
Patrick Cotter, Dysert, Ardmore.