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Help needed finding details of Richards parents

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OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 8 Jun 2013 09:15

I extracted the census details below from Find My Past, I believe this relates to Richard Reid who married Margaret Thomson in 1829, I have confirmed their marriage and their deaths on Scotlands People, however my problem is that despite numerous searches on Scotlands People I can only trace the birth of one child and that is Robert, see below, so my question is can anyone suggest what I may be doing wrong or should I perhaps just settle for the information on this census in respect of the children?

09/02/1838 REID ROBERT RICHARD REID/MARGARET THOMSON FR2944 (FR2944) M FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/00 0110 0028

1841 census transcription details for: Port Dounie, Port Dounie, Falkirk

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 479
Book/Folio: 4
Page: 16
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Falkirk
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Port Dounie, Port Dounie, Falkirk
County: Stirlingshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
REID, Richard M 35 1806 Office To Canal Cony Scotland
REID, Margret F 35 1806 Scotland
REID, Wilm M 11 1830 Scotland
REID, David M 8 1833 Scotland
REID, James M 6 1835 Stirlingshire
REID, Robert M 2 1839 Stirlingshire
REID, George M (2 MONTHS) Stirlingshire

Regards,

Jim

Reggie

Reggie Report 8 Jun 2013 09:18

No-one using these boards would claim to be an 'expert' on anything............

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 8 Jun 2013 09:28

Thanks Reggie - I am sure many of those on here who use Scotlands People know the in's and out's of it are far more expert than I am, especially when it comes to tweaking the searches to get the best results ;-) I just get so :-S

Dea

Dea Report 8 Jun 2013 10:05

I don't use Scotlandspeople but isn't it only for births after 1837, like our FreeBMD ?

If so, only the last 2 would show anyway?

Try looking for baptisms on FamilySearch.org - I found this one but haven't time to look further at the minute:


Robert Reid, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"
Name: Robert Reid
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Mar 1838
Christening Place: , FALKIRK, STIRLING, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 09 Feb 1838


Father's Name: Richard Reid
Mother's Name: Margaret Thomson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19511-6

Dea x

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 8 Jun 2013 10:11

Thanks Dea, on SP you can search back to 1538, I will have another look on FamilySearch.org

Vicci

Vicci Report 8 Jun 2013 13:22

if you haven't already

you need to search the parish records for pre 1837 not civil registration
also try the name varient search options

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 8 Jun 2013 14:25

Thanks Vicci - tried using name variant in my search in parish records but only one child Robert came up.

On Scotlands People the parish records search stretches from 01/01/1538 to 31/12/1854.

On FamilySearch.org there are two children attributed to them, a William Reid born 1830 and a David Reid born 1832.

I originally thought that the family in my opening post in the 1841 Census was the right family, however I am having doubts now as I have only traced child Robert on Scotlands People, the two others I found on FamilySearch.org, that being William and David, I nave not been able to verify as they only appear in a Pedigree Resource File.

I hate it when I get stuck and :-S like this, makes me want to scream :-(

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Jun 2013 20:29

This is what familysearch has for David 1832.


David /REID/
birth: about 1832
Glasgow,Lanark, Scotland
death: 13 November 1885
Hotham,Victoria, Australia
more

spouse:
Jacobine /JOHNSTON/
birth: 1837
marriage: 23 July 1858
death: 1902




Richard /REID/
birth: 3 April 1802
Barony, Lanark, Scotland
death: 21 November 1885
Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Margaret /THOMPSON/
birth: 24 June 1804
Old Monkton, Lanark, Scotland
death: 7 January 1873
Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland




David /THOMPSON/
death:
Jean /WOTHERSPOON/
birth: 26 October 1776
death: 1844


So this is his death.



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about David Reid
Name: David Reid
Death Place: Hotham, Victoria
Age: 53
Father's Name: Richd
Mother's Name: Mary Thomson
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 12440
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832


Marriage.



Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Jacobina Johnston
Name: Jacobina Johnston
Spouse Name: David Reid
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1858
Registration number: 3222


and passage over.



Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about David Reid
Name: David Reid
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Age: 24
Arrival Date: Jun 1854
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Glasgow
Ship: Glen Roy
Nationality: Scottish



Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about Jacobina Johnston
Name: Jacobina Johnston
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 20
Arrival Date: 9 Jul 1858
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Columbia
Nationality: Scottish

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Jun 2013 20:39

This appears to be the Richard and Margaret that are David's parents.


1851 census transcription details for: Maryhill, Maryhill, Maryhill
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 622
Folio: 32
Page: 9
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Maryhill
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Maryhill, Maryhill, Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
REID, Richard Head Married M 48 1803 Draw Bridge Keeper (Canal Forth & Clyde)
Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
REID, Margt Wife Married F 46 1805
Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
REID, Robert Son Unmarried M 11 1840 At Home
Falkirk, Stirlingshire
REID, George Son Unmarried M 10 1841 At Home
Falkirk, Stirlingshire

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 8 Jun 2013 23:12

Son William Reid is also found in OZ:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about William Reid
Name: William Reid
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 35
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Margaret Thomson
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 7979
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831

Edit:
The family provided by OFITG in 1841 (Falkirk) and the one the 1851 census in Maryhill found by Alviegal is the same family.

Aileen

Aileen Report 8 Jun 2013 23:18

Prior to 1855 when it became Statutory births in Scotland were recorded by the local parish.....not all births were recorded, it depended partly on what denomination people were. Lots of Old Parish records have been lost or damaged. Some were even destroyed by the parishes rather than passing them to the Registrar General in 1855.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 8 Jun 2013 23:58

Pre 1855 there was no facility to record any births.

Only baptismal records were kept, and in some cases, not all, a birth date was given.
By the same token, not all children were born in the parish of their baptism

James,
If the baptisms are not found on FS, there is very little chance that they would be found on SP.
The LDS transcribed most/all OPRs and they really didn't miss very much.

If the baptism for just one child was missing from FS, then I would check SP, but the fact that there are 3 or 4 missing entries more or less proves that the record is either lost, missing or the child was not baptised.

I also had a look at the batch numbers for Falkirk and there are no missing birth years (inclusive for this family)
If these children were baptised in Falkirk, their record never made it onto the OPR.

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Jun 2013 09:35

GlasgowLass, alviegal, and Aileen,

My thanks to everyone for your valuable contributions, they are all very much appreciated.

I checked out the Census years for 1841; 1851; 1861; and 1871 on Find My Past and looking at these alongside the information that you have provided I am reasonably confident that the family in the 1841 Census is the correct family.

Having exhausted every avenue, I have to agree with what Anne and Aileen say about many old parish records being either lost, missing, or destroyed, I know from correspondence I have had with Register House in Edinburgh about other ancestors of mine, this was often the situation, so I am going to accept the information on the 1841 Census as being the family in question and add them to my tree.

Thank you all again,

Jim

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Jun 2013 12:49

I think this from FamilySearch.org is the birth details for Richard Reid, Scotlands People only show the 18 April 1802 date.

To double check I looked at Richard Reid's Death Certificate to verify this, however there appears to be an error with his mother's name on that. I read it as being Jean Wotherspoon his mother-in-law. so before I mark this thread as answered can one of you, if I forward a copy of his Death Certificate, have a look at it and confirm my suspicions are correct.

from FamilySearch.org:-

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 3 April 1802
christening: 18 April 1802 , OLD MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1802 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Parents:William Reid, Janet Cuningham

From Scotlands People:-

18/04/1802
REID RICHARD WILLIAM REID/JANET CUNINGHAM FR215 (FR215) M OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0010 0265

Many Thanks,

Jim

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 9 Jun 2013 14:08

If you want to pm the image I'll take a look

Jude

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Jun 2013 14:24

Thanks Jude - Have sent it to you

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 9 Jun 2013 15:06

definitely has Jean Reid formerly Wetherspoon as mother :-S

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Jun 2013 15:15

Thanks Jude, my eyesight is not good at the best of times, but that is what I took it to be,
It must be a mistake made by son George when registering death as Jean Wotherspoon was in fact Richard Reid's mother-in-law and she was married to a David Thomson.

Many Thanks,

Jim

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 30 Jun 2013 14:25

My research on this family is still giving me major headaches, having sorted out Richard I decided to try and find information about his parents William Reid and Janet Cunningham.

I have found birth details on Scotlands People for 7 children born to a William Reid and a Janet Cunningham between 1790 and 1803 in the Old Monkland area of Lanarkshire but I have not been able to find out anything about the marriage of William Reid and Janet Cunningham.

However I did find the information below on Familysearch.org on an IGI File

name: Janet Cunningham [1]
gender: female
birth: about 1771
of Brachney, Lanark, Scotland [1]
other:
batch number: A24814-5
IGI batch type code: 1
IGI film number: 184770
Show children (7) *** These are the same 7 children I identified on Scotlands People ***

name: William Reid [1]
gender: male
birth: about 1769
of Brachney, Lanark, Scotland [1]
other:
batch number: A24814-5
IGI batch type code: 1
IGI film number: 18477

I also found 2 people with trees on here with a Janet Cunningham/Cuningham born in Lanarkshire in 1773 and I contacted them but to date I have not had any response.

Any help or advice in tracing information on William Reid and Janet Cunningham would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Jun 2013 22:32

Barrachnie is a place in Glasgow, Scotland adjacent to Garrowhill.

It was an ancient fermtoun which was mentioned in the Glasgow Protocols and had many entries in the rental book of the Bishopric of Glasgow in the Middle Ages - 14th.day June,1520 Wyl Morisone in xixs vijd land of Barrachnie. Like the other parts of the district it was part of the Barony and Regality of Glasgow and from about 1600, also of the parish of Old Monkland

The first coal mined in the Baillieston district was in the Barrachnie pit.

The etymology of the name is not easy as it has appeared under many configurations and its evolution to the present form is difficult to understand as it is pronounced "Brachney" - just as it was in the 15th. century.