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Michael

Michael Report 26 Jun 2013 08:46

Looking for a distant relative found him but birth certificate gives a diferent name i have gone down all routes with the name on certificate but no luck any help would be greatfull Thanks

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jun 2013 08:56

Welcome to the boards, Michael.

Can you give us some details to work from, please?
Eg - names, year, place.
You say you have "found him" - where? censuses? which years?

Graham

Graham Report 26 Jun 2013 08:59

This probably sounds like a stupid question; but if the birth certificate gives the wrong name, what makes you think it is the right birth certificate? :-S

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Jun 2013 09:47

By no means a stupid question, Graham

Michael

Michael Report 27 Jun 2013 11:24

Thanks for all your quick replies,I am looking for THOMAS TODD Born 1844 in MERTHYR TYDFIL but certificate shows WILLIAM Regards, Michael

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 11:34

As there were no penalties until 1875 for not registering births, the odds are that his simply wasn't registered.

I'm guessing that you don't have a cert..........and refer only to the GRO index of the birth for William

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 11:35

How did you work back to this man?

Who did he marry?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Jun 2013 11:35

But his birth may not have been registered there were no penalties till 1875 for non registration so many didnt bother. The Church still had a LOT of influence then so it was thought to be more important to have the child baotised

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 11:37

1851 census has no record of a Thomas Todd born 1844+/- 2yrs living anywhere in Wales

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Jun 2013 11:38

Who were his parents? how did you get back to him cos not finding him on any census

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 11:41

This one married in the right area...................

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
GEEN John Merthyr T. 11a 519
JONES Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 519
PAYNE Sarah Elizabeth Merthyr Tydfil 11a 519
TODD Thomas Merthyr Tydfil 11a 519

1881 shows John Geen married to Elizabeth

Susan

Susan Report 27 Jun 2013 11:43



Not finding a birth in Wales for Thomas...are you sure he was born in Wales?

Do you know who he married?

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 27 Jun 2013 11:48

Going from Reggie's marriage entry

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
PAYNE Sarah Elizabeth Merthyr T 11a 355

?

1881 Wales Census about Sarah E. Todd
Name: Sarah E. Todd
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Penderyn, Breconshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Penderyn
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Johns Row Cynon House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: General Servant (Dom)
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5319
Folio: 35
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah E. Todd 19

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Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:03

Are you sure you have the correct birth year?

based on the age of wife Sarah Elizabeth PAYNE as listed above by Rose this one is a possibility

Births Dec 1855
Todd Thomas Hopkin Merthyr T. 11a 293

as Reggie said how did you get back to a Thomas Todd born 1844 in Wales?

The birth certificate you have appears to be for this man

Births Jun 1844
Todd William Merthyr Tydfil 26 410


Roy

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:09

I wonder where this child is in 1881?

Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
Todd Thomas Hopkin Merthyr T. 11a 455

He should be 'around'

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Evans Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 624
Jennette William Henry Cardiff 11a 624
Todd Thomas Hopkin Cardiff 11a 624
White Lily Frances Cardiff 11a 624

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:13

Not quite sure why I'm doing this.......................it's probably not even remotely relevant.........

1911 census

Person: TODD, Thomas Hopkin Address: 12 Cumnock Terrace Moors Cardiff

TODD, Thomas Hopkin Head Married M 31 1880 Timber Measurer Glamorgan Kerwain VIEW
TODD, Lilian Frances Wife Married7 years F 33 1878 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Leonard James Son Single M 6 1905 School Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Doris Lilian Daughter Single F 4 1907 Home Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Irene May Daughter Single F 1 1910 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Clifford Son M 0 (1 DAY) 1911 Glamorgan Cardiff

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 27 Jun 2013 12:13

well spotted Reggie

81 Wales Census about Thomas Hopkin Todd
Name: Thomas Hopkin Todd
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hirwain, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 61 Brecon Road
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5319
Folio: 98
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John A. Payne 53
Mary Payne 56
John Payne 22
Mary Ann Payne 16
Agnes Payne 14
Thomas Payne 7
John Andrew Payne 8
Thomas Hopkin Todd 2

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:14

1901 census

Person: TODD, Thomas H Address: 181, Moorland Street, Roath

HOPKINS, Charles H Head Married M 42 1859 Railway Engine Driver
Neath, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Sarah E Wife Married F 39 1862
Hirwain, Brecknockshire VIEW
TODD, Thomas H Step Son Single M 21 1880 Time Keeper Docks
Hirwain, Brecknockshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Edith A Daughter F 10 1891
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Gladys M Daughter F 4 1897
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Wyndham J Son M 1 1900
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, William C Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1901
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:15

1891 census

Person: TODD, Thomas H Address: 48, Carlisle Street, Roath, Cardiff

HOPKINS, Charles Head Married M 32 1859 Locomotive Engine Driver
Neath, Monmouthshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Sarah Wife Married F 29 1862
Brecon, Hirwain VIEW
TODD, Thomas H Stepson M 11 1880 Scholar
Brecon, Hirwain VIEW
HOPKINS, Edith Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 12:16

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
Evans John Cardiff 11a 462
Hopkins Charles Henry Cardiff 11a 462
Todd Sarah Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 462
WILLIAMS Margaret Cardiff 11a 462