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William Bisset c1833

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Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 11:37

Looking for my gr gr great grandfathers first son William Bisset born c1833 Edinburgh Midlothian, his mother was Elizabeth Douglas.. No birth record traced, he was listed on the 1841 census with his parents William and Elizabeth and a sister Elizabeth born Perth c1835. His father William remarried Alice Annan and she is listed as his mother on the 1851 census, William is aged 18 and a jeweller (same as his father) Alice has died and William Snr married Jane Turpie. But there is no sign of son William... Can anyone help?

:-S

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Aug 2013 11:45

For ref.

1841

Name: William Bisset
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Dennys Lands Napiershall Road
Parish Number: 622
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bisset 35, Jeweller
Elizabeth Bisset 30
William Bisset 6
David Bisset 3
Minnie Mccachren 50

1851

Name: William Bisset
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William Bisset
Mother's Name: Alice Bisset
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh, Midlothian
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 17 Richard Street
Occupation: Jeweller
ED: 35A
Page: 12 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 47
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_143
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bisset 49
Alice Bisset 49
William Bisset 18
Elizabeth Bisset 16
David Bisset 13


If William wasn't christened you may not find a record of his birth.

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 11:47

Mmm I don't suppose I will, but can you see him in 1861 (perhaps he has married) have tried looking for a death, giving his mothers surname but nothing comes up. :-0

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2013 11:49

Civil registration in Scotland came into force in 1855

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Aug 2013 11:50

Have you eliminated this one?

Name: William
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Oct 1832
Christening Place: BREAD STREET UNITED PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 04 Oct 1832
Birthplace:
Father's Name: William Bisset
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Duff
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19182-1
System Origin: Scotland-VR
GS Film number: 1484433
Reference ID: - 2:1D84WV8

Where did you get his mother's maiden surname please?

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 11:53

From his father William death and their marriage cert
:-D :-D

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 11:54

This one sounds promising tho, could they have mistranscribed Duff for Douglas?? :-|

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 11:55

If that birth had his fathers occupation as "jeweller" then we would be definitely on the right track.
;-)

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 12:07

according to the 1841 census he was born circa 1835, so the birth in 1832 is a good 3 years out... :-S

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Aug 2013 12:08

Unlikely to have an occupation for his father - although occasionally OPRs give father's occupation. Also unlikely that Douglas mistranscribed as Duff.

Who was the informant on his father's death registration please? Whose marriage registration gave the mother's maiden surname as Douglas?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 16 Aug 2013 12:11

?????
1881 England census
Name: Willm. Bissett
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Cuerdon St
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Jeweller
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3630
Folio: 48
Page Number: 30

Lawce. Gilligan 58
Alice Gilligan 40
Bridget Gilligan 20
John Gilligan 15
Annie M. Gilligan 12
James Gilligan 11
Andrew Gilligan 3
Willm. Bissett 48
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3630; Folio: 48; Page: 30


Maureen

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 12:19

Who's a clever girl then MaureeninNY, thanks, this looks more like it.. :-D

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 12:25

Hello Rootsgather, well for years we were under the assumption that the wives names were as follows.

Ist Elizabeth Sinclair
2nd Alice Hutton.

But since then we have found a corrected entry which say the names were Elizabeth Douglas and Alice Annan and the third wife was Jane Turpy; the son in law James Napier Silver registered the death of William Bisset snr in 1884.

The marriage details show William married Elizabeth Douglas daughter of the late Charles Douglas in Perth. MaureeninNY has traced a William Bisset "jeweller" aged 48 on the 1881 census England which looks very much like him.. :-D

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 12:29

I cant seem to find this 1881 census Maureen
:-(

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 16 Aug 2013 12:40

Where are you looking,Nancy? Ancestry or???

Actually,I think he MAY be down twice on 1881 as this looks like he could also be him:

Name: William Bissart
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Hunter Street
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Jeweller
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 3630
Folio: 34
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Garland 43
Margaret Garland 41
Issacher Jones 16
Elizabeth Slater 40
William Bissart 48
Dom O'neill 30
Daniel Robinson 42
Daniel Sutherland 46
Thomas Lemon 27
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3630; Folio: 34; Page: 1


Maureen :-)

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 13:20

Hi Maureen, I have found the 1881 census, but have been trying to locate him on the 1871 to try and find out who he married and if there are any children .. Cant seem to find him in 1891 although I see the family he boarded with.

:-S

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 13:22

The second 1881 census gives his name as Bissart.

:-D

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2013 13:24

1871 census

Person: BISSETT, William Address: Brisbane Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool

BISSETT, William Lodger M 40 1831 Scotland VIEW
BISSETT, Janet Wife F 50 1821 Scotland VIEW Piece: 3826 Folio: 141 Page: 57 Registration District: West Derby Civil Parish: Kirkdale Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Occupation: Journeyman making jewellery

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2013 13:37

?????????


Name: William Bisset
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Janet Wylie
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 08 Dec 1865
Event Place: Bridgeton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11920-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 16 Aug 2013 13:37

Wow!! thanks Reggie yer a star... His wife was a lot older by 10 years...I wonder if they both married in Scotland then moved to England??

:-D