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Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 16:41

I have the following marriage details from parish records:

All Saints Brailsford, Derbyshire on 13th October 1875

Robert Baker full age bachelor labourer Brailsford Robert Allen Mason
Eliza Morley full age spinster - Brailsford Edward Morley Labourer
Witnesses: G M Brady & Fanny Coates

This is the first time I have come across the grooms father having a different surname to the groom, I'm presuming he was step-father?

As the ages are shown as full I don't have an approximate year of birth for Robert, Eliza was born in 1852.

I have found Eliza in the census but I am struggling to find Robert.

Can anyone help please.

Chris

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Aug 2013 16:43

have you found them on the 1881 census?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Aug 2013 16:47

1881 England Census about Robert Baker
Name: Robert Baker
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Eliza Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Cubley, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 153 Stockbrook Lane
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Labourer General
Registration District: Derby
Sub-registration District: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3397
Folio: 82
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Baker 30
Eliza Baker 29 b 1852 Hollington Derbyshire
Mary J. Baker 4
Eliza A. Baker
William Hy. Kerry 29 lodger
Fanny Kerry 26
Florence E. Kerry 5
James Hy. Kerry 2

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3397; Folio: 82; Page: 30; GSU roll: 1341812.

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 16:53

Thanks for your reply Shirley.

Sorry I should have said I was trying to find Robert prior to his marriage to Eliza.

Chris

Vera

Vera Report 17 Aug 2013 16:54

1861
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
MARKER, John Head Married M 37 1824 Farmer
Alsager, Cheshire VIEW
MARKER, Emma Wife Married F 37 1824 Farmers Wife
Betchton, Cheshire VIEW
GATES, William Servant Unmarried M 23 1838 Farm Servant
Mayfield, Derbyshire VIEW
GADSBY, John Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 Farm Servant
Cubley, Derbyshire VIEW
BAKER, Robert Servant M 11 1850 Farm Servant
Cubley, Derbyshire VIEW
WOOLEY, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 23 1838 House Servant
Doveridge, Derbyshire VIEW
Piece: 1957
Folio: 41
Page: 8
Registration District: Uttoxeter
Civil Parish: Cubley
Municipal Borough:
Address: Sand Hill, Cubley, Cubley
County: Staffordshire



Regards Vera

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:01


1871 England Census about Robert Baker
Name: Robert Baker
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Where born: Cubley, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: Sheffield Barracks*******************
Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 4665
Folio: 122
Page Number: 32

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:02

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1861 England Census about Robert Baker
Name: Robert Baker
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Cubley, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Cubley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: Uttoxeter
Sub-registration District: Sudbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 39
Piece: 1957
Folio: 41
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Barker 27
Emma Barker 27
William Yates 23
John Gadsby 18
Robert Baker 11******************************
Elizabeth Woolley 23

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:03

?????????????

This transcription reads as though Jabez is the father but on the actual census form Jabez is unmarried and it dos'nt say they are his children.


1851 England Census about Robert A Baker
Name: Robert A Baker
Age: 8 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Jabez Baker
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cubley, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Cubley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration District: Uttoxeter
Sub-registration District: Uttoxeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 6
Piece: 2010
Folio: 556
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Baker 62
Ellen Baker 69
Ellen Baker 27
Jabez Baker 22
Elizabeth Baker 4
Robert A Baker 8 Mo******Grandson

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 17:04

Thank you Vera and Mel.

Typical, I was so hoping to find him with his parents.

Chris

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 17:06

If this is his birth reg, his middle name was Allen.....same surname as that given for his father


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1850 (>99%)
Baker Robert Allen Uttoxeter (this covered Cubley)

Chris

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Aug 2013 17:07

Chrissie, it may not necessarily have been a stepfather's name. One possibility is that he was illegitimate and so registered in his mother's maiden name of Baker. However, if the natural father admitted paternity then he could well be named on the marriage record.

martynsue

martynsue Report 17 Aug 2013 17:10

chrissie,
on the 1851 census ellen age 27 is the daughter and Robert age 8 months and Elizabeth age 4yrs are the grandchildren.
jabezage 22 is the son.
one of these may be mum or dad to the children.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:16

How about this?

I think it could be the dau Ellen's babies.

mother:Ellen Baker

NameRobert Allen Baker
GenderMale
Christening Date16 Jun 1850
Christening PlaceCUBLEY,DERBY,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's NameEllen Baker
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberC04980-1
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number498056
Reference ID

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 17:16

That looks a good possibility Mel, think our postings may have crossed.
I will have to see if I can find a baptism record.

Chris

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:18

I bet Allan was the fathers surname................... that happened with my gt gt grandfather base born.

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 17:19

Our postings crossed again Mel.

Looks like dad wasn't mentioned on the baptism record then. Looks like there are two possibles for his father, both married.

Chris

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 17:24

Thank you everyone for you help, I now know his mums name and maternal grandparents.

Chris

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 17:27

father:Robert Allen
spouse:Eliza Morley
other:Edward Morley

NameRobert Baker****************************
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameEliza Morley***********************
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date13 Oct 1875********************************
Event PlaceBrailsford,Derby,England
Father's Name Robert Allen******************************
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's Name Edward Morley
Spouse's Mother's Name
Race
Marital Status
Previous Wife's Name
Spouse's Race
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberM05507-4
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number1041136
Reference ID

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 17 Aug 2013 18:05

With the info that I have would you be adding Robert Allen as father to Robert Baker or would it be better to just add it to the notes part of my tree.

Chris

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 17 Aug 2013 18:11

Think I would just add it to the notes. Unless you buy his birth cert and the father is named on it!