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Helen's death record answers part of your original query, Billy.

She had a son named James, as well as the children listed in 1841 & 1851.

EDIT:
But no birth record for him, either.
There were 8 James Blacks registered in Scotland 1800-1854, with parents James and Helen.
But none of the Helens was a Robertson.

Thanks again for everyone's help much appreciated.I fully agree don't have much info to work with.I. messaged person researching Hutcheson tree
They could not tell me anything about James or Helen but said James and Helen,s son John married Margaret Carmicheal born 1823 Kinglassie Fife ,They also think Kinglassie FIfe is where James Black might have been born I found John Black 1871 Census Kinghorn flfe with wife Margaret and 2 children Isabella age 13 James age 9 . Billy

I should have added .Shows on Richard.s marriage Cert his father James as Merchant seaman.

Billy....There are a few James Black's on the Merchant Seamans' Register (FMP) but I dont have access ...The 3 at the top of the list were b Fife ....maybe of assistance if someone could check them out for you....
Like the others posting I am totally lost as to this "Black" family....cannot find anything....

This is from Ancestry

Master's Certificate of Service

Name: James Black
Estimated Age: 48
Birth Date: 1803
Birth Place: Torryburn, Fife
Issue Date: 8 Feb 1851
Issue Port: Glasgow
Certificate Number: 50.323

James Black born at Torryburn, Fife in 1803 has been employed as App., Mate and Master 32 years in the British Merchant Service in the Foreign Trade.

There are a few born later in Fife

Name: James Black
Estimated Age: 29
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1822
Birth Place: Newburgh, Fife
Issue Date: 20 Feb 1851
Issue Port: Sunderland
Certificate Number: 56.100

Name: James Black
Estimated Age: 27
Birth Date: 1825
Birth Place: Ferry Porton Craig, Fife
Issue Date: 5 Apr 1852
Issue Port: Dundee
Certificate Number: 6025

Name: James Black
Estimated Age: 30
Birth Date: 1845
Birth Place: Newport, Fife
Issue Date: 19 Jan 1875
Issue Port: Glasgow
Certificate Number: 93050

Looking at the Cert of service record I'm thinking 1803 would be more possible birth year for James rather than 1792 .I'm basing that on youngest son Richards birth year 1837 .I really appreciate all your help in this search .
Billy

These are listed for FMP (pre 1832)

BLACK James 1782 Fife Fife
BLACK James 1801 - Fifeshire Fife
BLACK James 1801 - Fifeshire Fife
BLACK James 1801 - Largo Fife
BLACK James Anstruther Fife (No date)
BLACK James Kirkcaldy Fife (No date)

Regarding my last post I'm now thinking we can rule out 1803 as James birth year .I looked at 1841 census records again taking into consideration this is same family which I'm sure they are it shows oldest daughter Elizabeth age 26 this would make James to young to be her father
Billy

??? Registered Ticket No :393, 494

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
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Last name: Black
First names: James
Age:
Day of birth:
Month of birth: 04
Year of birth: 1793
Place of birth:
County/country of birth: FIFE
Card type:
Discharge number:
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT113
Date range: 1845-1854
Piece number: 197

Born at Carnock, Fife, he was a carpenter. First went to sea in 1816. Living at Commel? Rd when unemployed. He had brown hair, blue eyes, scar on left thigh. He could write. He was 5'10 1/2"
Issued in 1848.



Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
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Last name: Black
First names: James
Age:
Day of birth:
Month of birth: 04
Year of birth: 1793
Place of birth: Fife
County/country of birth: Fife
Card type:
Discharge number:
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT113
Date range: 1845-1854
Piece number: 137

Same person but says he first went to sea as a carpenter in 1809. He lived in London when unemployed. Says he could not write, had grey hair, blue eyes, mark on left thigh.
From what I can see, I think he was wrecked on 5 Dec 1847.
Issued in 1845.

This is very interesting information .I talk. ed with my cousin who lives in London she always thought there was a connection with London as Richard Black born1881 moved there from Scotland with his family in the late 1920,s
Billyl