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I Scotland's people to find what became of Archibald mcdiarmid b1870 aryshire and his family

In 1901 he was a nailmaker in cumbuslang aged 31

With wife Sarah nee Andrews age30

Children George b1891,Sarah b1892,Mary 1894 Elizabeth 1896 and Andrew 1901

I couldn't find them in 1911

Elizabeth was a baker's saleswoman when she married july 1920 age given as 24 her father Archibald.s occupation is still nailmaker and on 1930 valuation rolls he is listed at Dean's avenue cumbuslang

Her husband Andrew macdermid is on same street until his death the informant is listed as an intimate friend of Borge crescent
Could this John McDiarmid of Borge crescent in1930 valuation rolls be a younger brother of Elizabeth or connected to Archibald ? And where were the other siblings between 1901 and 1960 ??

I didn't find their names in deaths or marriages with this spelling .
Any help from fresh pair of eyes will be appreciated.

the MacDermid.s are a separate family though I can't find Elizabeth under that spelling either in1920 her fiance Andrew macdermid was living at river road carmyle

EDIT There may be other connections to the MACDERMID family
as an Archibald + James McDermid(various spellings) were living in Belfast around the time Elisabeths's brother in lawDuncan fathered a child + sent his girlfriend to give birth there before living as a married couple in Denistoun Glasgow

That MACDERMID family's history is on
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313595?d=asc

but then others would have to spend their credits????????


I gather there is some information on familysearch ............... which is the Mormon site, and free

have you seen the Platt family tree at Ancestry?

The tree connects to an incoming passenger record, 1953 at Southampton coming from NZ, for Mr A and Mrs S McDiarmid, aged 83 and 82, proposing to live in Glossop, Derbyshire.

That seems a little loony to me. The tree does show descendants for sons George and Andrew.

If you don't know that person, you could enquire.

As far as searching at scotlandspeople, anybody would have to spend credits.

Yes I know I will get more Scotland's people credits
but wondered if there are any other places to search too


.I'm not on ancestry yet

Thanks for tip about family search Annie

There are so many Mcdermid.and variant spellings all over the world nothing seems loony to me .

several with the McDiarmid spelling seem to be Irish origin rather than Scots

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719705.0

(in case above helps with anything, area/addresswise)

Chris :)


Andrew Kyle Macdermid was a clothlapper in 1911 and married Elizabeth McDiarmid
He was living at 30 dean's avenue in 1929 (given as next of kin on siblings travel documents)
did he have children? he died in 1964 in east kilbride . Lanarkshire


edits

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LANARK/1998-12/0913381422

(above taken from a book, if areawise)

Mr. Archibald McDiarmid and Mr John Dall (entitled Cambuslang Co-operative
Society)

(John Dall 1901, Boarder, occ. Grocer, below)
Morriston Gardens, 8, Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Thanks Chris

To save anyone trawling thru above links on roots thread there is no further info on Archibald McDiarmid and his family or what happened to Elizabeth after she became a MacDermid

The booklist has an Archibald McDiarmid with a John dall in Stothers in 1910/11 but with a Cambuslang association so that may help me choose which Archibald to look up

There are 3 Archibald McDiarmid in Lanarkshire

Not sure where Stothers is .
It looks like archd age 43 in St rollox in 1911 will be most likely one to look at

;-) :-)

Elizabeth's address in 1920 aged 24 is 59 lighthouse?road cumbuslang

Andrew macdermid is a clothlapper of 90 river road carmyle

His parents are listed as deceased
Archibald McDiarmid and Sarah Ms Andrews still living
Witnesses are grooms brother Malcolm and a Sadie L Andrews

edit Archibald died1960 age 91

JC mentioned the Platt family tree on Ancestry.

I can't seem to find that one, but there's a Platt Smith family tree which says that Archibald died 20 Dec 1960 at 41 Bothwell Road, Hamilton.
In which case, this would be his death:

1960 MCDIARMID ARCHIBALD M 91 HAMILTON /LANARK 647/00 0306
If you have some spare credits on SP you can view the cert for all the details.

The same tree says his daughter Mary Stewart McDiarmid died 12 March 1972 at Cornwall Hospital, Auckland, NZ

As I can't find the tree JC mentions, with details of son George's descendants, you may already have found this:

Mrs Sarah McDiarmid [George's wife, not his mother]
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mrs Sarah McDiarmid
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1895
Departure Date: 13 Oct 1922
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Auckland, New Zealand
Ship Name: Suffolk
Shipping line: The New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited
Official Number: 115859
Master: C Matthews

Travelling with husband George, aged 31, and children Mary (2) and Sarah (1).
Address: 59 LIGH . . . . RD , Cambuslang <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [Lighthouse ??? as in Brigid's post above]

[EDIT:
Lightburn Road is the nearest possibility I can see on Streetview.]



George McDiarmid
in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Name: George McDiarmid
Birth Date: abt 1891
Death Age: 69
Death Date: 1 Jan 1960
Burial Place: Waikato, New Zealand
Cemetery: Old Te Kuiti
Spouse Name: Sarah McDiarmid



Sarah McDiarmid
in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Name: Sarah McDiarmid
Burial Place: Waikato, New Zealand
Cemetery: Te Kuiti
[burial of ashes]



One of these will be their marriage (the Cartwright family tree on Ancestry suggests it was Sarah Murray, but doesn't give proof). View the certs on SP to check which is correct:

1919 MCDERMID GEORGE
QUINN SARAH
COATBRIDGE OR OLD MONKLAND /LANARK 652/02 0166

1917 MCDIARMID GEORGE
MURRAY SARAH
BOTHWELL /LANARK 625/01 0025

The spelling of McDiarmid is right in the Murray marriage, but that's no guarantee.

There's a lot of detail about Mary Stewart McDiarmid (Elizabeth's sister) , birth 28 November 1893, Cambuslang, in the Whitmore-Hayes tree on Ancestry.

Marriage to Andrew Clarkston Carmichael in 1917 in Cambuslang, children (Sarah 1920, Margaret 1921, Robert 1925), death as in previous post.

She must have emigrated some time between 1921 and 1925.


That tree says that her mother Sarah died 1 August 1956, Cleland, Lanarkshire.

HOWEVER -

that same tree says that Elizabeth's sister Sarah married Andrew Carmichael in 1917 in Bothwell - same as Mary!

It also gives her the same three children, and the same place and date of death.

So proof should be sought before believing anything!


And yes, it was Mary who married Andrew Carmichael:

1917 CARMICHAEL ANDREW CLARKSON
MCDIARMID MARY S
CAMBUSLANG GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 627/00 0023

The Whitmore-Hayes tree says this is Elizabeth's brother Andrew's return to UK from NZ - presumably for his father's funeral:

Andrew McDiarmid
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Andrew McDiarmid
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1900
Age: 59
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Arrival Date: 10 Aug 1960
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Southern Cross
Shipping line: Shaw, Savill and Albion Company Ltd
Official Number: 8338/01

Travelling with wife Margaret (DOB 13.08.1903).

UK address: 11 Kippin Drive, Brisby, Lanarkshire.
{I expect this means Busby - no such place in Lanarkshire as Brisby.
And Kippen Drive, not Kippin.)
He was a company director, and they were intending to stay in the UK for 6 months.


The tree says his wife was Margaret Nicol, and they had four children

thanks argyll gran ; i'll keep looking for evidence of Elizabeth and any children staying in Scotland

and i'll get some credits to look up that mcdiamond census

1911 census
yes it was mistranscribed as Mcdiamond

Archibald was41 a cut nail maker living at 30 main st with wife sarah 40
+ george 20 a clerk at steelworks
sarah 19 miliner
mary 17 oatcakemaker
elizabeth 15 some kind of shop girl
andrew 10 at school

I found a death which may be sarah aged 26
in 1917 but didn't look at document ...wasting credits if I'm looking for Elizabeths descendents

In your opening post you said you wanted to know "what became of Archibald mcdiarmid b1870 aryshire and his family".

Are you now only interested in Elizabeth's descendants, as mentioned in your last post?

there is a John Mcdairmid on 1911 census age 15 father is william a miner this

could be the John of borgie crescent who's on tenant lists in 1930

+ informed on Andrew Macdermid 's death 1964 (Elizabeth's husband not brother)

yes argyll gran I was hoping to find what happened to Elizabeth + her descendents by finding connections to her parents + siblings

they were my great uncle's in-laws

It's all interesting but I can't afford to research them all

the elderly couple JS mentioned coming back from NZ have right initials + ages so maybe i should look for Elizabeth in Glossop Derbyshire too

Elizabeth was probably still alive in 1964

I've just looked at her husbands death record closely
he is listed as married to Elizabeth McDiarmid

the intimate friend who registered death does not have a clear initial but it is definitely a McDiarmid ;

I havent found any children for this couple yet
both families followed the naming traditions closely so I would expect a Malcolm .Archibald and Andrew as first 3 sons and Sarah ,jean elizabeth as daughter names with middle names of Andrews or Kyle

ps thanks for finding the street name of Lightburn Road

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313595?d=asc

(Brigid, would there be anything to help from Alisoun on above, might 'refresh' something!, both AG and rg posted on there)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris

there is nothing extra about the McDiarmids on Alisoun's Macdermid thread

Elizabeth McDiarmid Macdermid is the only common denominator

Alisoun doesn't come on here much now I will pass any findings on to her if I do find descendents of Elizabeth + Andrew Macdermid :-)

I wonder if this could possibly be Elizabeth's death, if the informant was 10 years out on her age?? It's recorded twice, once for each spelling.

1970 MCDIARMID ELIZABETH
Other surname: MACDERMID F 64 CAMBUSLANG GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 627/00 0027


1970 MACDERMID ELIZABETH
Other surname: MCDIARMID F 64 CAMBUSLANG GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 627/00 0027