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Hello Rose, nice to see you on here again,remember me.Dont know why I get family lines that give me problems. No I have not found William Fitch prior to 1861, If I could have found a marriage to him and Elizabeth I thought I may have something to go by. Looking at his age in 1861 must say he looks old, so does Elizabeth so perhaps it is a second marriage for them both..

Dismissing John and Elizabeth Row from Sussex because found living in Tunbridge Kent in 1871 and still together when the Fitches lived in Gravesend in 1871

Any thoughts, or Cert. on Death I posted earlier?...

Does it give same 'Row' surname for Mother on William Butcher Fitch?...

Chris :)

Hello John, I didn't realise it was you until I checked surname lol you do have some tricky ones don't you ;-)

Hi Chris. I do not know about William Butcher Fitch if his mother is Elizabeth a Row because I only bought the cert for his sister Martha Butcher Fitch. Re death of William Henry Fitch 1884. The death looks like him because Peter Street where he died is in Gravesend. I live in Gravesend so I suppose I could send one of his family to try and find his grave

Hi Rose. Certainly do but had a wonderful outcome on Brian Moore and found his family who I am still in contact with. This family Fitch is my cousins husbands family so I don't know anything about them

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Cleethorpes
Church name Municipal Cemetery
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 18 Jan 1905
Person age 80
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname FITCH
Burial person abode 40 Johnson St
Register note Died 10 Jan 1905 Widow


Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Fitch Elizabeth 80 Grimsby 7a 424


(is this the Mother?, other items relating also to William B Fitch, from below free link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(above has more details for Grave, if wanting to pay!)


Have you looked into Elizabeth Row (b.1826) 1841 Colchester, Stockwell Street, Father as George...

Hi Chris. Yes this is the mother, she must have gone to live with her son William Butcher Fitch after her husband William died in 1884

Hi Chris, no I have not seen the 1841 census for Elizabeth Row b 1826 Colchester. I suppose because of the Butcher connection been looking for Butcher, until yesterday when I received the birth certificate for Martha. Thanks will look

nudge for info

(awaits reply here, as to whether the Birth Cert. of below was bought!, Emily or Elizabeth given for name on it?)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Fitch William Butcher Gravesend 2a 346


(so still missing 1861 and back)...


23 August 1867 - Dover Express - Dover, Kent, England

Northfleet.
Charge of Assault.
At the county petty sessions at Rochester, George Smith and Cornelius Hayes were charged on a summons with violently assaulting William Fitch, at Northfleet. The complainant is gardener at the Rosherville-gardens, and was drinking with his wife in a public house where the defendants also were. A quarrel arising, the two defendants set upon the complainant, and beat him in such a savage manner, that he was for some time under medical treatment.
The magistrates convicted the defendants each in a fine of £3, and costs.

there are 2 Elizabeth's in 1841


Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Martin, Essex, England
Residence Note Stockwell Street, West
Gender Female
Age 15-19
Age (Original) 15
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822-1826
Birthplace Essex
Registration District Colchester
Book Number 10
Parish St Martin
County Essex
Page Number 2
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 344/4
Affiliate Record Type Institution

with her
Susannah Rowe F 15-19 aged 15
Richard Rowe M 13

or


Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Martin, Essex, England
Residence Note Stockwell Street
Gender Female
Age 15-19
Age (Original) 15
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822-1826
Birthplace Essex
Registration District Colchester
Book Number 10
Parish St Martin
County Essex
Page Number 16
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 344/11
Affiliate Record Type Institution
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
George Row M 60-64 Essex
Mary Row F 30-34 Essex
Elizabeth Row F 15-19 Essex
William Row M 3 months

(nudge)

Chris :)

John .......

please look at your other thread, the one you started back in June

There have been some new postings on there.

Hi Chris. No I have not bought the birth cert for William Butcher Fitch because I had bought his sisters who is my cousins Great grandmother Martha Butcher Fitch. As stated in it mother Elizabeth Row. It is the name Butcher that is completely throwing me.

John ..............

we're trying to tell you that William and his sister MIGHT have different mothers named on their birth certificates!

It is entirely possible that whoever gave the information made a mistake OR thta there were 2 different mothers, but you cannot ASSUME that seeing one certificate tells you what will be on the other!

The GRO now has mmn pre-1911.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You do have to register/log in and the search parameters are pretty narrow but stil....

FITCH, WILLIAM BUTCHER mmn ROE
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 346

Maureen :-)

That is great, Maureen - going to save a lot of money buying certs!

That's blinking fantastic Maureen- just activated my account to see what I can find on my own distant family that I haven't got certs for.

Me too Austin! Having trouble finding some, even though I have the GRO refs.

How come we didn't know this had happened?