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If you go to the British Newspaper Archive you can look for newspapers by county. If there are any that cover the time period you can do a search. The results are not always clear and can be a bit muddled, but they could give you enough to do a search for the actual newspaper on here.
If you can get to the local studies library you should be able to answer quite a few of your questions, but you need to check if they have the newspapers.
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Thankyou so much for your reply’s
The trouble is that the Nottingham Central Library closed down , but being located near the new Bus and Coach Station
Where they had BMD of Nottinghamshire so maybe it will have all the info when it opens quite soon
Anyway Thankyou you so much for your trouble , I will make a copy of all the information you all have sent me
Herbert Harold Taylor 1899 Nottingham isn’t my relative, so I NEED them to find out about him to make sure it’s the right person , before I past the information on to them
That’s the reason for wonting his address ?.
If you get what I mean
From Olive
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To determine whether it’s the right man, you should be working BACK from the present day
The people to whom you plan to pass the info should be able to give you some facts to work on
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What about the Nottingham Archives in Castle Meadow road. You can search online to see what they have. There is a notice on the website to say that the BMW’s are on Ancestry.
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The detail of the crime for which Herbert was sent to Borstal in 1920, as in the record posted by ErikaH:
"On the 24th day of December 1919, in the city of Nottingham, breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Betsy Fisher and stealing a safe and contents and other property to the total value of £124 13s 5d, her property, and receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen."
The earlier incidents (of which I can't find separate reports, but which are mentioned in the 1920 report):
1913 and 1914: street trader entering licensed premises.
1915: crying out newspapers on Sunday.
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Might point you in the direction for you to look at the originals
EDIT - Other articles -
Nottm Eve Post
27 Dec 1919
29 Dec
Nottingham Evening Post <<<<<<<<
Monday 5th january 1920 -
Herbert Harold Taylor 20, labourer of Hill's Yard, Millstone Lane (and others) in custody in connection with roberyat the Beehive inn, Beck Street on Christmas Day appears at Nottingham Guildhall. Charged with entering premises and stealing a safe, quantity of spirits, cigars, cigarettes and jewellery. Safe found broken open in Water Lane but jewellery and sum of £24 not yet found. Magistrates remanded prisoners in custody until Friday for a special court sitting.
Friday 9th January
Report on the Special sitting
Friday February 6th
Much as below. Mentions that Taylor was employed at the pub at one time
7.2.1920
At Quarter sessions Herbert Harold Taylor 20 a Carter and Thomas West 20, both ex soldiers pleaded guilty to receiving property taken from the Beehive public house Beck Street - (goods listed). It was stated Taylor had been gassed and West a POW
The Recorder sent Taylor to a Borstal institution for 2 years etc
The 4 men seen coming from direction of the Beehive with a hand barrow (borrowed) with something very heavy in it, so heavy the barrow was damaged.
Herbert Harold Taylor already dealt with gave evidence against the other 2 men, saying he helped them push the barrow and he and West kept watch whilst the safe was broken into.
Also reports in -
Nottingham Journal <<<<<<<<<< reports 6 January and 10th January
Mansfield Reporter 2 January <<<<<<<<
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Too many Herbert Taylors in WW1 records to go through - looking back there is some Army info on Page 1 posted by "Gins" and also an address at Virginia Street
ChrisHo has also posted on Page 1 a newspaper reference from 1931 - giving an address of Anstey Rise
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BARROW OF ‘SCRAP"
Nottingham Inn Robbers Sentenced.
PRISONER ASKS FOR ‘CAT'
The Nottingham Quarter [Sessions] were opened at the Guildhall yesterday.
Herbert Harold Taylor (20). a carter, and Thomas West (30). a cotton spinner, both ex-soldiers, pleaded guilty to receiving property taken from the Beehive, Beck Street, which, it will be remembered, was broken into Christmas live and & and its contents, together with watches, notes, champagne, wine, and cigars, of a total value of 13s. 5d., stolen.
It was stated that Taylor had been gassed, and that West had been a prisoner of war.
Acting upon representation made to him the Recorder sent Taylor to a Borstal institution for two years, whilst West was bound over for 18 months. William Wiltshire (21) and Oliver Paddock (24), both hawkers, pleaded not guilty to breaking and entering the Beehive. They were defended by Mr. N. Birkett.
Loaded Barrow.
The four men were seen coming from the direction of the Beehive with a hand barrow (borrowed) which had something very heavy on it—so heavy that the barrow was damaged. Inspector Wild gave evidence of seeing the safe, all broken up, in disused buildings across some waste land. Wiltshire, when charged, said: "put-up job" whilst Paddock replied: “You made a bloomer when you said there was £24 in the safe." Herbert Harold Taylor, already dealt with, gave evidence for the two men, saying that helped them to push the barrow along. Whilst the safe was being broken open he and West kept Kitty (kept watch). He received £6l [?] but West got nothing. After West had declared evidence that he only gave the two men a lift with what he thought was scrap-iron, but which proved to be the safe, Wiltshire went into the witness-box and denied the robbery, accusing the two previous witnesses of giving false evidence. He declared that he sometimes made day (?) by hawking linoleum.
Mr, You don’t pay income tax on it, I suppose ?—Oh no. (Laughter)
Published: Saturday 07 February 1920
Newspaper: Nottingham Journal
County: Nottinghamshire, England
NOTTM. PUB BROKEN INTO.
SAFE, CHAMPAGNE AND CIGARS TAKEN.
PRISONERS AT QUARTER SESSIONS.
Four sturdily-built young men, Harold Taylor, 20, carter, William Wiltshire, 21, a hawker. Oliver Paddock, 24. hawker, and Thomas West, cotton spinner, stood in the dock at Nottingham Quarter Sessions to-day in connection with a charge of breaking into a public house, "The Beehive,’’ kept by Betsy Fisher, and stealing a safe and the contents to the total value £124 13s 5d.
Taylor and West were only charged with receiving, to which they pleaded guilty. West, while a soldier in France was taken prisoner and afterwards repatriated.
Tavlor was sent to a Borstal institution for two years and West was bound over for 16 months. The other two men, Wiltshire and Paddock, having pleaded not guilty, Mr. E. L. Hadfield, who prosecuted, detailed the circumstances. said that time Taylor was employed at the public house, which is in Beck-street.
December 24th all four were the house, and Wiltshire and Paddock asked to be allowed to sell Mrs. Fisher, the landlady, some linoleum. They made it their business to visit the kitchen, where the safe was kept.
In the afternoon Mrs. Fisher locked up and went out. During her absence someone broke in, took the safe, emptied the till, took away two watches, rings, notes, cigars, cigarettes, champagne, port, and other things. On Mrs. Fisher’s return she found that the window bad been opened. Dealing with the evidence against the prisoners, counsel said that the four men were seen with a hand barrow from the direction of the Beehive, with something heavy it. One of them also borrowed a heavy hammer from blacksmith, while Paddock, when was being interrogated, said, "You made an
error when you said there was £24 in the safe.”
WHEELED THE SAFE AWAY.
Several witnesses were called. The most important was Taylor, who had been sentenced for receiving
Published: Friday 06 February 1920
Newspaper: Nottingham Evening Post
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All I can say is WOW to what you have found . Thankyou so much for all your time and effort all of you.
I will copy all the details off Thankyou
But I will look on Ancestry when I go into Hucknall Library one day in the week
.so I will say bye for now !! And let you no if I find anything during the week
Olive Jean
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Interestingly (though irrelevant) , the other men mentioned in those newspaper reports from 1920 had also had previous brushes with the law.
William Wiltshire was fined 10/- in 1919 for drunkenness.
Oliver Paddock was fined 2/6 in 1914 for stealing biscuits, and jailed for 15 months in 1915 for stealing a pony. There were also 4 instances of drunkenness, causing an obstruction, etc.
Intriguingly, Thomas West was fined 2/6 in 1915 for playing football.
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Good afternoon to you all
This is what I have found on Ancestry ,Co.Uk in Hucknall Library
Re Herbert Harold Taylor born 1900 ish
Just what you have all found for me
Nottingham City
On the 24 day of December 1919 in the City of Nottingham Breaking and entering the dwelling home of Betty Fisher and stealing a safe and contents and other contents to the total of £124,13.5d her property
Pleaded Guilty. 2years detention under penal in a Borstal Institution
Also 8 th May1913
2 nd May 1914
15 th March
Was noted what he has done ??in the past !!
From Olive
Hope this is clear as it’s small printing , even though the Librain had printed it off for me
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Just to say a BIG THANK YOU for all your help on this part of Family History
From Olive
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Good Morning
I just wonder what year the Electoral s go back to for Uk
, and where to find them please
I have tried to find them in the local library on Ancestry Co Uk
??
From Olive
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Has your friend bought the 1917 marriage cert yet? As advised on and off since 2016...........
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Thankyou all for your replies on Electoral Rolls
I will ask again when I go next visit the Library
As for the 1917 Marriage Certificate I have suggested Applying for one but ???
So I am no further on with that I think
I will put together what has been found by everyone and myself the trouble is The Nottingham Central Library has closed down it’s a shame as it had lots BMD of Nottingham area
And will opening agian sometime soon in a new area of the City
Thankyou once agian
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Thankyou all for your replies on Electoral Rolls
I will ask again when I go next visit the Library
As for the 1917 Marriage Certificate I have suggested Applying for one but ???
So I am no further on with that I think
I will put together what has been found by everyone and myself the trouble is The Nottingham Central Library has closed down it’s a shame as it had lots BMD of Nottingham area
And will opening agian sometime soon in a new area of the City
Thankyou once agian
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What - exactly - do you hope to learn from the Electoral Roll?
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If you've used that link I posted for the library, you'll have seen that even though the library is closed for people going in person, you can still email the Local Studies Team:
[email protected]
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Thankyou once agian for your reply
One of the reasons I wonder if there was any Electroles of Nottingham area
Is Eliza Wilson married again once Herbert Harold Taylor died
To Herbert Jackson marriage1948 Nottingham
I thought maybe it would tell some thing about him !! ??
Anyway Thankyou once agian
I might Email The local Studies to see what I can find out ,but
Library is opening again soon near the new Coach and Bus station
Unless the Marriage Certificate appears !!
Thankyou Olive
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It should read marriage1949 for Eliza Taylor to Herbert Jackson Nottingham
Sorry about that
Olive
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