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GlasgowLass....I did see that...Wms family is becoming more like the Kibble Hervey's (NicolaS) do you remember them ???

I have also found a death in Park View Newry 20.June 1863 of a James Langton late of Bruree ....don't know if it is a Son of James srn.or James himself......will see if I can follow through on that one...

Yes! I do remember the Kibble/Hervey stuff.
They were everywhere!

I can see the similarities. LOL

Now starting to locate births from the Hall/Langton marriage in Dublin

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-833-2-2-013

I hope that John's FB friend in Holland has actually asked for info?

Poor John I bet he wishes he never posted !!!



George Bell

Scotland Church Records and Kirk Session Records



Family must have travelled..!! Back in San Francisco by 1860 Census.


Name George Bell
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 17 Mar 1855
Event Place South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father's Name James Bell
Mother's Name Dorcas Langton

Cork Examiner 20 May 1850
Marriage announcement of Marian Langton, daughter of James Langton

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020584

Marion was widowed.

Wexford Independent 26 February 1859
Marriage announcement of Marion EVANS widowed daughter of James Langton ESQ of Bruree Co Limerick to James Craig

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020515



Dublin Evening Mail 28 September 1855
Marriage in Australia of 5th daughter, Maria Langton

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/edit/48020667
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EDIT:
NONE of the above, including Dorcas could be William's sibling.
Cousins perhaps?
I FINALLY found what I was looking

Williams father, was the LATE MAJOR LANGTON OF BRUREE and he was already deceased when William married Charlotte Amelia Paisley in 1844

None of the other announcements show their father, James Langton to be deceased

Charlotte was from Co Mayo and the youngest daughter of Rev Henry Paisley

Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail 12 October 1844
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020799

I have been looking at the LostLangtons website
http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/humogen/family/humo_/F789/I2249/

William Langton has been INCLUDED as the son of James Langton and Mary Marshall.
It seems to be assumed that Major Langton and James Langton is the same person but, I have found evidence that suggests otherwise.

Major Langton also had a son named Richard ( some reports say George) Langton who at 1851 was clearly having mental health issues.
I won't go into detail .
This man was 36yrs old at 1851.
He had changed his last name to Marshall and assumed a claim to the Will of an uncle which resulted in a court case with his Aunt, Mrs Mary Langton
The estate was either left by her father or her brother


Mary Langton ( Marshall) was the wife of JAMES Langton

Richard Langton AKA Marshall was the son of deceased Major Langton
Mary Langton ( Marshall) was his Aunt and married to James Langton.

It proves that Major Langton and James Langton was not the same person and this James Langton was still living at 1853 when Bruree Estate was put up for sale
and not noted as deceased on any of the marriage announcements for his daughters, and even not when daughter Marian remarried in 1859

Definitely shades of the Kibble Hervey's et al....!!!!!

Hope John's friend is interested in knowing all this...

Definitely shades of that old thread.
Darn it! Major Langton's name is never provided!

One problem....
Unless there was more than one Major Langton, I think he died in 1819.
If this is the case and William is his son as per the marriage info, then William could not have been born in 1821

James Langton, husband of Mary Marshall does appear to be the son of James Langton and Anne Godsell.
Widow Anne, relict of James Langton (snr) remarried Dr Raymond of Kilrush in 1823

No mention of "Major"

Oh my, just seems like a puzzle. I have looked up in the Ireland
records and actually found a christening for a William Langton, 27th April 1821 St Michaels Limerick parents James and Ellen. Then I found a christening for a Clarina James Henry Langton parents William and Charlotte Amelia Langton b 17 Sept 1849 christened 4 Nov 1849 Dingle, Kerry Poor James fancy having a first name of Clarina. Found Helena Georgina Langton christened 30 Feb 1848. parents William and Charlotte A, in Dingle kerry, then a Henrietta A b 29th Aug 1848 d 29th Aug 1848. Well this certainly looks like the Langton family, so James was born in Ireland and the family immigrated after his birth the 2 other daughter being born in America . In 1860 census James and Helena listed as their children. On the death of William Langton it states his birth as18th April 1821 so that ties up with his christening of 27th April 1821.

I now have to sort the Curran family out. Glasgow lass. I notice you found a marriage for Robert D Curran to Inez Langton and it states Robert D Curran was from Long Beach California, that's all about I know of him.
More help appreciated, I went on Ancestry but it is asking for a World wide subscription from me

John, any baptismal info that I found for William has actually been produced using the information provided on his death record.
Information found on a death record is only as good as the informant's knowledge

I found no evidence of an actual birth/baptism record

I am getting quite confused about the Langtons.
The Estate at Bruree was sold in 1853

I foundma matching death for a James Langton, late of Bruree
He died in Newry, Co Down 1863 but, I can't find how old he was

Here's the rub...
I had already across the death announcement for this man's wife.
Her name was NOT Mary Marshall. Her name was Dorcas ( cant remember now) but it also and listed her late father's name
I am trying to locate that again but I do think that generations are all mixed up on the Lost Langtons site

Everyone does seem to be descended from James Langton and Anne Godsell who were the original owners of Bruree Estate

There was a deed of settlement for the land dated 6 Apt 1764 and was executed on the marriage of James Langton and Anna Godsell

So we now have:
James Langton and Anna Godsell
James Langton and Mary Marshall
James Langton and Dorcas ? ( will find it again)

Dorcas Harte daughter of Johnson Harte Coolross...she died at Park View Newry
(Into the landed gentry again !!)

There was also a daughter named Adelaide born to Major Langton she married into the McDonnell's of Co Mayo....Husbands name Francis son of Randall...Cant clarify date....but she was a widow when she remarried in Dublin 1864...


Adelaide Crosbie Mcdonnell Or Langton

mentioned in the record of George Enright and Adelaide Crosbie Mcdonnell Or Langton


Don't know where the Crosbie comes from...!!



Name George Enright
Spouse's Name Adelaide Crosbie Mcdonnell Or Langton
Event Date 22 Oct 1864
Event Place Dublin South, Dub, Ireland
Father's Name John Enright
Spouse's Father's Name James Langton
Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed

Eringobragh,

This is what I think.

James Langton of Bruree was married to Dorcas Harte and all those Marriages that we found actually relate to THEIR children.

I had a gut feeling about it when I found the 1851 info on the "insane" man named Richard or George Langton Marshall

He was also the son of Major Langton and his aunt ( by marriage) was named as Mary Langton or Marshall but she did not live at Bruree at 1851.

Alarm bells sounded at that point.
Mary Marshall's husband wil no doubt be the brother of James at Bruree and probably also to William and Adelaide's father but, so far, no other first name has been found so they have all been joined up to make one person... James Langton of Bruree


I am done for the day as I have a dinner date with OH and then...
Cirque Du Soleil at Glasgow Hydro . Woo Hoo

I am done too cannot find marriage in Dublin Records for Adelaide...!!!
Enjoy your evening..
I will be off tomorrow night to enjoy St Patricks night .

Thanks for the help, enjoy your nights off, cheers

Glasgolass and Eringobragh. Here are the questions storing up for you when you come back on here. When you are referring to James Langton of Bruree , is that the father of William who went to America or a brother of William. Things moving so quickly, can't believe how much has been found. Will just have to print all this off and settle down to digest it all. I'm almost 80 so the old mind doesn't think so quickly.

John....That is the million dollar question at the moment...!!!
Don't pay heed to your not being able to think so quickly..(age is just a number)..I need to keep going back to see what direction we are a going in...

So far we cannot determine exactly the Christian name of Major Langton from a Primary Source...it appears to be James....see Wms. Baptism and Adelaide's 2nd marriage but at this moment..just don't know...

1901 census Dublin shows Adelaide Enright widow 81yrs.living Carysfort Ave Blackrock with her Daughter in Law Louisa McDonnell (widow) and her children.
Adelaide states she was born in France.

Death 1910 Dublin..widow of Brewer.

Im finally getting somewhere.

Williams' father was Major James Langton who was married twice
As yet I cannot clarify the two wives names.


Children from the 1st marriage were:
James, RICHARD and Isabella.

Is this the 1st or 2nd marriage?

1797:
On Sunday last, James LANGTON, Esq; Captain in the South Cork Regiment of Militia, to Miss MARSHALL, daughter of the late William MARSHALL, of Drinadaly, Co. Meath, Esq;

Children from 2nd marriage were:
William and Adelaide

Info comes from the 1851 commission report on the insanity of Richard Langton who assumed the last name of Marshall.

Richard had been in a lunatic asylum since 1843 and had been visited there by half siblings, Williams and Adelaide during the first 3 days

He was due to substantially inherit from an uncle's ( Marshall) Will but his sanity was in question and deemed incapable of running his own personal affairs.

This leads me to believe that his mother was the "Miss" Marshall who married in 1797
If I am correct, Richard inherited from the estate of John Marshall , Wicklow Estate who was his mother's brother

Mrs Mary Langton, aunt mentioned in this article is not therefore the Mary Marshall that I originally thought.




One of the witnesses was called Adam Newman who states he was a first cousin and explained Major Langton had married twice and children named William and Adlaide were from their father's 2nd marriage

I am certain that Major Langton died in 1819, probably in France
He owned the Bruree Estate

Richard was born circa 1815
James of Bruree must be the older brother as he will have inherited this estate

We already know that half sister Adelaide was born circa 1819
I'm still to be convinced that William was born in 1821.
I feel that his birth/baptism was created from the info contained on his death record

GlasgowLass ...Hope you enjoyed your night out...!!

I am like a dog with a bone on this one even if its all a waste of time...
What I have uncovered so far and lends itself to what you have found but with may twists and turns....

1. Not sure the Baptism of Wm Francis I posted is William...I should have checked but didn't...St Micheals Limerick is RC.

2.Found a Death for a Major James Langton Sth. Cork Mil.at his lodgings in Thomas Street Limerick Wed.21st July 1821. No other details except Deeply regretted etc.

3.Adelaide who married Francis Crosbie (M'Donnell.)..well the McDonnell was "adopted" by Francis as a condition of his inheritance of the McDonnell Land Holdings in Co Mayo ...he was insovent by the 1840s/50s

4.Adelaide ... there appears to be a ? son of hers living in Liverpool from the 1860s Jas. Langton Crosbie M'Donnell...has to belong to the same family with names like that...(his son also named the same....)
Didn't know what I was reading half the time...