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Greyghost

May I suggest you read Michael’s post of 13.30

I posted the birth earlier ;-) ;-)

Correct as ever ErikaH. :-(

I would imagine though that Michael is still working off the birth year given in census (I could be wrong). I've explained why there may be a difference.

Have also posted the link to the GRO site and explained RD coverage for Oldbury.

Michael - do you know anything more about Edmund - you say born 1897, but 22 at marriage would make that c 1890/1

Did the marriage certificate give occupations of the Fathers and who were the witnesses?.

I had no idea that they were put in a workhouse after they were abandoned, assumed that Alice my Great Grandmother looked after them from the beginning when Mary disappeared remember my mother telling me that Richard died when falling into a Bog on the Mountain nearby, my mother also told me that her mother (Mary) may have moved to London at some time
will seek to get a copy of Marys BC

I have Edmunds DOB as 1901
Edmunds fathers' occupation Collier
Marys Labourer

Edmund married in 1913 aged 22

What was HIS occupation? And his address?

IGNORE the 1954 death I suggested at 16:20 today.

That woman's middle name was Hannah:

JONES, MARY HANNAH 56
GRO Reference: 1954 D Quarter in YSTRADGYNLAIS Volume 08A Page 67

Several members seem to have this woman in GR trees -assuming they have taken census info as YoB and not researched properly.

Try making contact

Merthyr Tydfil Union
Name: Richard Stanley Jones
Record Type: Discharge
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1919
Admission Date: 8 May 1924
Discharge Date: 12 Jul 1924
Discharge Place: Glamorgan, Wales
Father:
Edmund Jones
Mother:
Mary Ellen Jones
Next of Kin Name: Edmund John, Eliz Allen


He was born in Potardawe Workhouse Infirmary, deserted and adopted by the Board until he was 18.


Merthyr Tydfil Union
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Record Type: Discharge
Birth Date: 20 Apr 1913
Admission Date: 8 May 1924
Discharge Date: 12 Jul 1924
Discharge Place: Glamorgan, Wales
Father:
Edmund Jones
Mother:
Mary Ellen Jones
Next of Kin Name: Edmund John Richard Stanley

She was illeg born at Abercrave. She had been transferred from Pontardawe Union and had been deserted by parents.
Notes 13/5/24 warrant for father and mother and to remain
adopted by Board Poor? 1899 ?

Expanding on my post on Page one

JONES, RICHARD STANLEY ALLEN
GRO Reference: 1920 M Quarter in PONTARDAWE Volume 11A Page 2501

JONES, RICHARD STANLEY 10
GRO Reference: 1930 J Quarter in PONTARDAWE Volume 11A Page 922

The OP mentions the child dying by falling into a bog

This still leaves me with no info regarding Mary Ellen Jones /Aallen WHEREABOUTS from the time she abandoned her children in 8th May 1924

Until you get her birth cert, we can't try to find her in 1939 or look for her death. Even then, it may simply not be possible to trace her. It's easy to 'disappear' if one so wishes.
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1921 Census Of England & Wales
14 Brookland Terrace, Abercrave, Ystradgynlais Higher, Glamorganshire, Wales

Alice Allen Head Female 1870 51 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Household Duties -
Mary Ellen Jones Daughter Female 1897 24 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Home Duties -
John Allen Son Male 1899 22 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Colliery Under Ground Labourer Abercrave (Out Of Work) Colliery Company
Edith Allen Daughter Female 1905 16 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Home Duties -
William Thomas Allen Son Male 1908 12 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England - -
Elizabeth Allen Grandchild Female 1913 8 Abercrave, Breconshire, Wales - -
Richard Stanley Jones Grandchild Male 1920 1 Pontardawe, Glamorganshire, Wales -

ok will try next week, thanks