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Goodness me don’t we open Pandoras box when we delve into our ancestors!

Have found
JULIA ANN STEPHENS
DOB: 24/09/1866
Born: Guildford, Surrey

Father is Richard Stephens
Mother is Hannah
Sibling is Lucy, DOB 16/08/1862 Old Windsor, Berks

Am happy with all details thus far but….seems Julia married
GEORGE WILLIAM POOLEY
at ALL SAINTS, NEWINGTON
on 04/05/1884
Julia was only 17 years old.

On the 1891 & 1901 census, George is married to Elizabeth A. POOLEY

I can’t find any trace of her death.

How do I go about tracing a divorce?

Something must surely have happened between 1884 & 1891

It’s my almost last puzzle piece, any help would be amazing, thanks in advance.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS ALL

Just discovered Julia and George had a son, George William born 19/08/1884.
And Edgar Richard i13/12/1885

Explains why she was married at 17!

In 1891, George and Edgar were living with a couple named Stevens in Holborn.

Divorce was unheard-of for all but the seriously wealthy. Couples usually just went their separate ways and started again with new spouses………..married or otherwise

It would be helpful if you could C&P 1891 to save us having to try to identify the one to which you refer

At the very least, tell us where and when George was born…and his occupation.

The info about the woman seemed VERY familiar...is THIS the same one?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1401582

Facts..............................

Name George William Pooley....Occupation: PACKER
Gender Male
Marriage Age 21
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1863
Marriage Date 4 May 1884
Marriage Place All Saints, Walworth: Surrey Square, Southwark, England
Father James Pooley.............Brewer
Spouse Julia Ann Stevens

Name George William Pooley
Gender Male
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 28 Dec 1862
Baptism Place St Paul, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father James Pooley..........Cellarman
Mother Thirza Frances Pooley
Register Type Parish Register

Question................
Is this the one you've 'found' in 1891??

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cecial Villa, Vincent Road, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
George W Pooley Head Married Male 30 1861 Carpenter & joiner Peckham
Elizabeth A Pooley Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Islington
Stephen R Pooley Son Single Male 4 1887 - Islington
George G Pooley Son - Male 1 1890 - Tottenham

If so................

POOLEY, STEPHEN ROBERT TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 421

POOLEY, GEORGE GRIERSON TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 361

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
Pooley George William Islington 1b 686
TAYLOR Elizabeth Apphia Islington 1b 686

1871 for the man who married JULIA

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Westmoreland Road, St Mary Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England
James Pooley Head - Male 40 1831 - Essex, England
Thirza Pooley Wife - Female 36 1835 - Nottinghamshire, England
Henry Pooley Son - Male 11 1860 - Surrey, England
George Pooley Son - Male 8 1863 - Surrey, England
Frederick Pooley Son - Male 6 1865 - Surrey, England
Charles Pooley Son - Male 4 1867 - Surrey, England
Thirza Pooley Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Surrey, England
William John Pooley Son - Male 0 1871 - Surrey, England

Name Edgar Richard Pooley
Gender Male
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date Easter Thursday Apr 1892
Baptism Place St Paul, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father George Pooley...........Barman
Mother Julia Pooley

Address 20 Pear Tree

POOLEY, EDGAR STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 987
POOLEY, GEORGE WILLIAM STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 977

"In 1891George and Edgar are living with a couple called Stevens in Holborn"

You say Julia'a parents were Richard and Hannah - so likely that they are living with their Stevens/Stephens grandparents

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
20, Peartree Street, St Luke, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Stevens Head Married Male 52 1839 Horse keeper Maidenhead, Berkshire, England
Anna Stevens Wife Married Female 52 1839 - Maidenhead, Berkshire, England
George Pooley - - Male 6 1885 - -
Edgar Pooley - - Male 5 1886 - -
James Browse Boarder - Male 27 1864 Labourer Tunstall, Suffolk, England

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
49, Gt Bland Street, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Stevens Head Married Male 43 1838 Contractors carman Berkshire, England
Hannah Stevens Wife Married Female 42 1839 Ironer Berkshire, England
Lucy Eliza J Stevens Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Machinist Old Windsor, Surrey, England
Julia Ann Stevens Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Servant domestic Guildford, Surrey, England

greyghost

Thank you.
Yes, I believe this is Julia’s parents Richard & Hannah.

ErikaH
Yes, I believe the children were living with Julia’s parents….no mention of Julia.

I’m sorry, I will remember this for future.

Yes, I am still trying to find info but only for Julia now.

I have info on the boys which I found last night, Both baptised in 1892, living at 20 Peartree Street, Holborn.

My reasoning for the initial query:

This Julia Stephens is the only one I can find with a birth date and place of birth which agree with other records.

I have had the thought for a while that she had either walked away or divorced her first husband. I’m wondering if this may be a factor for why there is absolutely zero record of her ever marrying Harry Baldock. She used his surname but there is no official record I can find and, believe me, I have spent hours and hours searching.

I can’t find a death in the name of Baldock or POOLEY for her either but Harry states he is a widower in 1911 when he is admitted to infirmary and subsequently dies.

Oh for a time machine so I could just go back and ask them!

Again, thank you so much for your help and I’m sorry if I am not giving the correct info, I still consider myself a novice at this.

Happy Christmas
Caroline

So you think this is the woman from the other thread.....................

As she didn't marry Baldock, you really have very little hope of proving who she was, sorry to say.

ErikaH

Oh she has not made life easy for sure.

What I have managed to link up is that she was born in Guildford, family had previously moved from Berkshire.

They move to Lambeth.

In 1884 Julia falls pregnant and has to marry George POOLEY. Their son George is born 6 months later. Another son, Edgar, follows in 1885.

In 1888 Julia’s sister Lucy marries a James Woodbine

Between 1885 and 1887 Julia and George have separated. - George’s son with new lady Elizabeth, (Stephen) is born 1887c

Also 1891, Julia and George’s 2 sons are in their grandparents home, at least for the night of the census. Their place of birth is given as Old Kent Road.

Also 1891, Julia has adopted the name of Baldock and is living in 2 rooms at 49 Coopers Rd, Camberwell. She does not appear to have an occupation. This is just off the old Kent road where Harry Baldock is working in a pub, literally couple hundred yards away. They are apart for census night though.

In 1892 both of Julia’s sons are baptised, address is given as 20 Peartree street which is also the grandparents address.

On 1901 census, Edgar POOLEY, Julia and George’s younger son is living with his aunts family. This is Julia’s sister Lucy now Lucy Woodbine.

It all follows through. Even have Julia and Lucy in the workhouse together in 1875 when the family were living at 49 Bland Street - same address is on census for 1891.

I’m almost certain she did pass away before 1911, but this is still an ongoing search. There is a Julia Stevens who dies in Godalming in 1910 but there is nothing else so I can’t be sure it’s her. There are certainly no Julia Baldocks deaths anywhere. I am still searching but, for now, I am pretty good with all that has come together with other members playing a huge part in helping.

A million thanks again
Caroline

Please say why you think that the man Pooley who married Elizabeth Taylor in 1882 is the same as the one who married Julia Stevens in 1884

Two completely different individuals...................


Elizabeth's husband
POOLEY, GEORGE WILLIAM GRINSON (error)
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 379

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Grierson Mary Jane Camberwell 1d 819
Pooley Stephen Camberwell 1d 819

Their younger son

Name George Greirson Pooley
Baptism Age 7
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 17 Jan 1890
Baptism Date 16 Mar 1897
Baptism Place St Faith, Stoke Newington, Hackney
Father George William Pooley..............Occupation JOINER
Mother Elizabeth Apphia Pooley





Julia's husband..as per BAPTISM and census posted YESTERDAY

POOLEY, GEORGE WILLIAM GODDARD
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 113

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Goddard Thirza Frances St George S 1d 191
Pooley James St George South'k 1d 191

ErikaH

uh oh....i have to go back over him then...... :-(

ErikaH

Thank you for stopping me from making a BIG mistake.

I have searched and can find no remarriage of MY George William POOLEY so I am not going to assume he remarried.

My search for Julia has given me quite a lot of info not just dates but feel I am getting to know her too. Her youngest daughter, Florence Julia was a tiny lady, under 5’ tall and my husband adored his “nanny Flo” as she was known. She was an incredibly tough lady but, looking at her history, it’s easy to see why.

Seeing so much hardship and struggle brings home even more how very blessed my life has been.

Thank you so much for your help. As I have said, although I’ve been trying to trace family for nearly 30 years, I am very much the novice as I dip in and out when I can find a few hours here and there.

Happy New Year, I hope you enjoy a good one.
Caroline x

Did you ever get a copy of the 1910 death cert of a Julia Baldock in Godstone?

I know the age isn't quite right, but that depends on the informant's knowledge or belief.

And after all, the 1901 census says she's 30 , which isn't correct either - so don't be too hung up on age.

Census is on the other thread, but copying again here:

Julia Baldock
in the 1901 England Census
Name Julia Baldock
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Spouse Harry Baldock
Birth Place Guildford, Surrey, England
Civil parish Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel 09
Neighbors
Piece 389
Folio 10
Page number 11
Household schedule number 71
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Harry Baldock 31 Head
Julia Baldock 30 Wife
Lydia Baldock 8 Daughter

BALDOCK, LYDIA MAUD STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 41

1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
81, St Ervans Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Charles H A King Head
Male 1897 24 Paddington, London, England Corter G W R Padd G W R Paddington
Lydia M King Wife
Female 1894 27 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Home Duties -
Charles H King Son
Male 1920 1 - - -
Leo Boettcher Visitor
Male 1907 13 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland - -
Arthur Boettcher Visitor
Male 1911 10 Scotland - -



and 1939

10 Brent Road, Ealing, Southall M.B., Middlesex, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Charles H King 22 Nov 1896 Male Motor Drivger Great Western Railway Married 267 1
Lydia M King 08 Feb 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 267 2
Charles H King 17 Jan 1920 Male Crain Cook Packer Single 267 3
Cyril E King 13 Oct 1923 Male Rubber Tyre Assembler Single 267 4


Possible

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Ealing, London, England

First name(s) Lydia Maud
County London
Last name King
Volume 12
Sex Female
Page 0131
Birth day 8
Country England
Birth month 2
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Birth year 1894
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 1
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1980
Collections from Great Britain, England
District Ealing

ALL the relevant Baldock info is on Caroline's OTHER thread......as linked above.

;-) ;-)

Alviegal

Thanks, I have all that info. Lydia was Nanny Flos older sister. I am grateful you took time to send that to me though.
Happy New Year
Caroline