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Hi Janice Yes it looks good, but just one thing bothers me...on the medal card for him it says that he said he was married and he was discharged 15/11/1915, but if this is his marriage then he wouldnt have been married until 1916.... I think the easiest way to discount this Harold is to see if we continue to find more children for them past 1925 when Wanda's Harold is recorded as being her James father. Anyone got any other idea? need coffee be back soon.

Hi Willow I had the same thoughts as you abt children. Have had a quick check up to 1920 and can find no more children after Harold S Brierley in 1916. Perhaps he said he was married if he was involved with her? Are they allowed to do that though? Another thought I have had is that the children who have no Father named after the Mitchell children, may have been his? I did find a death for Thomas Mitchell which I gave to Wanda, and if that was his death then he was not the father to the children who had no father named. Thomas Mitchell death March Quarter 1915 aged 26 years. Registered in Chorlton. Where Mary Ellen married and had their daughter in 1914. Still checking. Janice x

Hi Willow & Wanda Found another birth: Roy W Brierley registered in Bury. December Quarter 1922 Mother maiden name Cadden Ref: 8c 749 Checked through to 1925 and only since this birth since Harold in 1916? Big gap in children born here, may have missed one? Or maybe they drifted apart & back again? Or maybe it just time to get the second child? Janice

Keep reading everything and cant take it in.Not ignoring you but completely lost.Its like a tennis match! Right got certs and made a complete blunder on one.Will put that one down to being in pain at the time but after what I have read it would have been wrong anyway.The Thomas Mitchell death is not Mary Ellens Thomas in 1915.Cert says Thomas Hamilton Mitchell wife E J Mitchell Of Ardwick.So will discount that one.Wanda.x

Hi Wanda Ohh Dear what a shame, so we are still looking for Thomas Mitchell then, Sorry. We will get there eventually I am sure. Love Janice xxx

I know Jan what you mean.Janice and Willow are working overtime on this! Keep reading the answers but my brain wont take it in!! Have pmd Janice and Willow with some info..Got 6 certs today and none are right..Never mind will keep trying and thanks again all of you.Wanda.xx

Wanda A little TIP: If you are finding it difficult to follow everything on here, what I usually do is print off the thread and then write out the information in a way that makes sense, e.g. write all the information in calendar form, or on a time line. You will find that it will all suddenly slot into place and make sense, I think - it always works for me. OC

Have just looked at the 1891 census James Brierley and Louisa Martha and they have a son Arnold Brierley but in 1901 he becomes Harold? Can someone please look to make sure Im not going nuts!!! Wanda x PS PRINTING away now.Thanks.xx

Hi OC Great Advise I print everything out, even other peoples that I am working on. Otherwise My Brain would scamble. Janice

Wanda If you think about it, Arnold and Harold could easily be confused/mistranscibed etc, so it is probably no more complicated than that! OC

Just been on phone to my mum and cousin to see if they could give any snippets of info that might help....Both said that Harold Brierley went missing for periods of time(INFO GAINED FROM MY DAD AND HIS BROTHER before they both died) Dad thought perhaps he went to prison... or perhaps he was running himself stupid between his wives? Wanda.xx Thanks OC had a look and it says Arnold but he was newly born so perhaps they just gave a name and then changed it after.

Hi Wanda I know its probably on here somewhere but can you tell me if there is an age for Thomas on the marriage certificate?

Hi Willow yes its 22.Janice has just pmd me for this as well.Wanda.x

Hi Willow Great Minds think alike, I have asked Wanda this before but noy got the info, Wanda is getting bogged down with all this I think. Think we best keep posting what we get, so we all know? That is why I posted my information, many hands make light work and all that? Or is it too many cooks spoil the broth. Janice x

she must be on the same line as me !

Found this one Mitchell Thomas Aged 26 West Derby.8b 511 Death Q2 1917

If you looking between 1866-1920 chances are im gonna find it easier than you if your using ancestry, im using familyrelatives its fully transcribed for that period.

Tell you what I will post every occurance of a Thomas Mitchell death between 1915 - 1920 for the Lancashire/Cheshire area then we can just tick them off Mitchell Thomas 68 Ashton Under Lyne.8d 220 Death 3 1919 Mitchell Thomas 70 Blackburn.8e 467 Death 4 1920 Mitchell Thomas Blackburn.8e 522 Death 2 1915 Mitchell Thomas 75 Bolton.8c 296 Death 3 1917 Mitchell Thomas 70 Bolton.8c 419 Death 4 1915 Mitchell Thomas 82 Chorlton.8c 747 Death 2 1918 Mitchell Thomas E 15 Chorlton.8c 911 Death 2 1917 Mitchell Thomas H 26 Chorlton.8c 1187 Death 1 1915 Mitchell Thomas Chorlton.8c 1105 Death 1 1915 Mitchell Thomas 60 Chorlton.8c 876 Death 2 1916 Mitchell Thomas M 33 Chorlton.8c 565 Death 3 1917 Mitchell Thomas 63 Clitheroe.8e 360 Death 3 1918 Mitchell Thomas 60 Clitheroe.8e 463 Death 1 1915 Mitchell Thomas 60 Liverpool.8b 80 Death 4 1919 Mitchell Thomas Liverpool.8b 89 Death 1 1916 Mitchell Thomas 35 Liverpool.8b 107 Death 1 1916 Mitchell Thomas 68 Liverpool.8b 64 Death 1 1919 Mitchell Thomas 71 Nantwich.8a 489 Death 1 1915 Mitchell Thomas 78 Oldham.8d 847 Death 1 1920 Mitchell Thomas T 4 Oldham.8d 685 Death 4 1919 Mitchell Thomas 81 Oldham.8d 1064 Death 1 1919 Mitchell Thomas 62 Oldham.8d 729 Death 2 1916 Mitchell Thomas N 34 Oldham.8d 868 Death 2 1915 Mitchell Thomas 15 Ormskirk.8b 1070 Death 1 1918 Mitchell Thomas 75 Prescot.8b 929 Death 4 1916 Mitchell Thomas 42 Preston.8e 623 Death 2 1919 Mitchell Thomas W 49 Prestwich.8d 434 Death 1 1920 Mitchell Thomas A Prestwich.8d 449 Death 4 1919 Mitchell Thomas 60 Prestwich.8d 336 Death 2 1918 Mitchell Thomas E 51 Salford.8d 113 Death 3 1917 Mitchell Thomas F 44 Stockport.8a 475 Death 3 1919 Mitchell Thomas 79 Stockport.8a 51 Death 2 1919 Mitchell Thomas H 51 Toxteth Park.8b 269 Death 2 1920 Mitchell Thomas 31 Toxteth Park.8b 166 Death 2 1919 Mitchell Thomas P 79 West Derby.8b 483 Death 2 1917 Mitchell Thomas J 4 West Derby.8b 743 Death 2 1917 Mitchell Thomas 68 West Derby.8b 615 Death 1 1917 Mitchell Thomas 26 West Derby.8b 511 Death 2 1917 Mitchell Thomas 64 West Derby.8b 575 Death 1 1916 Mitchell Thomas 56 West Derby.8b 361 Death 4 1915 Everything with no age is taken as aged 0

hi wanda in the 'olden days' they didnt know how to spell so check every variation of the spelling .. on my tree i search for craig and its come up in 4 different variations and sloane 3 (one being stran) ... good luck on your search! .. and yes they are really good people on this site!!!!!!!! tracy x

Hi Willow Yes, that looks good. I am using 1837 site, which is now Find my Family. The time is right for all that was going on with other children? Plus his age? Janice x