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Zoe

Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:14

Ben Hi again Now a marriage cert is god for research in the aspect you will get the bride & grooms fathers names and occupations, their ages occupations all certs are good to have~as sometimes they have little things that help you out on them! ie witnesses etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now I think this is George's birth ref but name mistranscribed on register Name: George Edward Nicholds Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Chesterton County: Cambridgeshire Volume: 14 Page: 48 NOW YOU CAN PUT A CHECKING POINT OF FATHERS NAME TO CLARIFY WHETHER HE'S YOURS OR NOT JUST PUT HIS FATHER AS ABRAHAM Chesterton Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Cherry Hinton; Chesterton; Fulbourn; Great Shelford; Willingham. GRO volumes : XIV (1837-51); 3b (1852-1930). Barton, Cambridge Without, Cherry Hinton, Chesterton, Childerley, Comberton, Coton, Cottenham, Fen Ditton, Dry Drayton, Fulbourn, Girton, Grantchester, Great Shelford, Great Wilbraham, Harlton, Harston, Haslingfield, Hauxton, Histon, Horningsea, Impington, Landbeach, Little Shelford, Little Wilbraham, Long Stanton, Madingley, Milton, Newton, Stapleford, Oakington, Rampton, Stow cum Quy, Teversham, Trumpington, **Waterbeach**, Westwick, Willingham. WATERBEACH IS UNDER CHESTERTON DISTRICT ZOE

Christine

Christine Report 25 Mar 2006 23:21

ok 1901 ces 1900 emily williams 1 1899 walter williams 2 1896 frank williams 5 1894 lily williams 7 1892 vernon williams 9 1887 arthur williams 14 1889 horold williams 12 1864 walter williams 37 1867 lily williams 34 folio 144 re 13 \3666 could you find out when walter and lily where married please thank you so much chris

Zoe

Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:34

Gary Do you have the marriage cert? ~ if so what were the addresses and ages of the couple and what was Sophus' job. Now their first childs birth cert do you have it ~ if so what address was he born at? Do you have the death cert? ~ if so what was the address and who was the informant?

Zoe

Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:35

Guys My PC is going ultra slow will catch up with requests later or tomorrow Zo

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 26 Mar 2006 05:15

Hi Zoe, Henry only shows up on two of the Census 1891 and 1901 both show his birthplace as Lincolnshire. I may have found Henrys death record 1918 reg. District Kings Norton. This is the reg. District for Smethwick! The only problem is that it shows his age as 75 instead of 69-70. Do you think it’s worthwhile ordering the certificate? Still no luck connecting Nellie Bullard/Sullivan to James Knott Regards Malcolm

Raymond

Raymond Report 26 Mar 2006 11:48

Hi Zoe Elizabeth Osborne b about 1845/1849 Birkenhead changes her age also can not find her Marriage to John Henderson b 1845 Glasgow Scotland in 1871 they are in acrefair Ruabon Nr wrexham with 2 children well I know off 2 but someone gave ma a copy and Elizabeth Ann Henderson b 7 Jul 1870 was not on it but I have her marriage 1890 her brother on 1871 Robert John Henderson 8 Mar 1868 by 1881 they were in Liverpool just hope you can help? I have both birth cert for 1868 and 1870 Cheers and Thank You Ann Robert John Henderson bAcrefair Ruabon 8 mar 1868 father John Henderson mother elizabeth Henderson nee osborne Elizabeth Ann Henderson b Acrefair Ruabon 7 Jul 1870 same info on 1871 John Henderson b Scotland 1845 wife Elizabeth Henderson b 1845 Birkenhead Robert John Henderson b 1868 Acrefair Ruabon Wrexham thanks Ann

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 12:50

Bernard Your sister has a very nice way of putting things..:0) 1871 Now on this census he is down as born in 1865 James C Hartley abt 1871 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Jemima Hartley abt 1867 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Daughter Lawkland Yorkshire John Hartley abt 1831 Bolton, Lancashire, England Head Lawkland Yorkshire John Hartley abt 1865 Clapham, Yorkshire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Sarah Hartley abt 1841 Tatham, Lancashire, England Wife Lawkland Yorkshire Sarah J Hartley abt 1868 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Daughter Lawkland Yorkshire Thomas Hartley abt 1859 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Do you know for sure that John was still alive? I cant see him in later census have you checked in deaths? Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 13:58

Claire Had a hard long look at this, and it seems you have the correct one in 1841 and following, due to the 1901 census where Sarah is with Ellen's son and she is named Aunt would lead me to believe she is Ellens Sister Sarah Hadfield/Hatfied Kennedy. Now according to the 1st census she appears in she is age 6 making her birthyear 1835 no birth certs available for this time *parish records* So according to the IGI details for Ellen she was christened 19 JUL 1835 Eccles, Lancashire, England Sarah was Christened Christening: 24 MAR 1833 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England Ok There is also a Mary in the 1841 census details for her christening Mary Kenedy Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Pendleton Christening: 26 APR 1834 Eccles, Lancashire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Thomas Kenedy Mother: Betsey Kenedy **is another name for Elizabeth** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And Cavvanah S Kennedy maybe Sarahs daughter **only guessing** but if she was born in London that place the family around that area Don't know why we can't find them in 1851 and 1861 we know inbetween that time Ellens mother Elizabeth remarried a Mr Singleton **I think,,LOL** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Mary Hadfield b1805 Eccles**I think this might be Elizabeths sister**** She is in the 1871 census living on her own on the road next to Ballon road cant work out what it says its 7 something buildings she is a Seamstress In 1861 She is yet again on her own but down on census as Mary Hatfield same address looks like 7 Chantlers buildings canot work out occ. This one has got my brain really going mad WHERE ARE THEY will search through Pendleton district around where they were in 1871 and see if I find them bit slow at mo will do later Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 14:04

Elaine Where have you looked for his death? Do you roughly know when he died or just it was after 1901? What was his occupation on your grandmothers marriage cert and did it say deceased? When was she married? Was his occupation something that may have taken him away from home?

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 14:49

Jean Just off subject didn't know if you had these from IGI All born to a John and Mary Ann 1. MARY ELIZABETH FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 FEB 1853 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England 2. ELEANOR HARBORD FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 15 AUG 1850 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England 3. ALFRED MUNN FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 AUG 1848 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Thought you might like christening dates if you didn't have them!! Do you know if Alfred Munn had any children? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well after a long search think I got them in 1881 are you ready for this.......... 1881 On image it does look like Turby but it is them Alfred M. TURBY Head M Male 32 Bridlington, York, England Booksellers Clerk Alice W. TURBY Wife M Female 31 Camberwell Alfred TURBY Son Male 8 Camberwell Scholar Jessie TURBY Daur Female 9 Camberwell Scholar Henry W. TURBY Son Male 6 Hammersmith Scholar Clara TURBY Daur Female 5 Hammersmith Richard TURBY Son Male 3 Hammersmith Arthur TURBY Son Male 1 Hammersmith Frank S. TURBY Son Male 4 m Hammersmith Mary Ann TURBY Mother W Female 69 Yarmouth Mary E. TURBY Sister U Female 28 Bridlington, York, England Charles TURBY Nephew Male 7 Camberwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 7 Sterne St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341014 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0063 / 50 Page Number 46 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This might be Alice in 1901 it says she is married and a dressmaker Name: Alice Furby Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: Newington Butts, London, England Civil parish: Richmond Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias County/Island: Surrey Country: England Source information: RG13/677 Registration district: Richmond Sub-registration district: Richmond ED, institution, or vessel: Richmond Union Workhouse Folio: 193 Page: 10 Household schedule number: 1 Nearest I can find cant find any on 1891 1901 except this one hope it helps a bit Zoe

Emma

Emma Report 26 Mar 2006 15:16

Hello, i am looking for information on my g grandma Nellie Marvin 1880c and her mother Mary Marvin 1862c. I would like to know if Nellie was born out of wedlock or not, I know that Mary married Allen Havery late 1881 and had 2 sons, but unsure if she was married before or if Marvin is her maiden name. My g grandma Nellie had my grandma Gertrude Marvin 1900, I would like to know if she later married, my father remembers a uncle from his mums side staying for awhile and his name was John/Tom Cousins. All of the above or from Nottingham apart from Allen Harvey (Leicester) and mainly around the Bulwell and Basford area. Any information would be greatly appriecated, many thanks Emma

Jean

Jean Report 26 Mar 2006 15:23

Thank you so much Zoe for the 1881 census of ALL the family! and the later one showing Alice in a Workhouse! Don't think I would ever have found it, tried all variations of spelling but didn't think to sustitute the F for a T. Perhaps now I can make some progress. Your help is greatly appreciated. Jean x.

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 15:23

Malcolm No luck on finding that marriage sorry Death cert will tell you address at time and name of informant no sure about other things..people on the boards should know more Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 15:47

Christine T this is them in 1901 47 Duke Street Head is a ?Print? Collector Arthur Williams abt 1887 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Stretford Lancashire Emily Williams abt 1900 Stretford, Lancashire, England Daughter Stretford Lancashire Frank Williams abt 1896 Stretford, Lancashire, England Son Stretford Lancashire Harold Williams abt 1889 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Stretford Lancashire Lily Williams abt 1867 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Stretford Lancashire Lily Williams abt 1894 Stretford, Lancashire, England Daughter Stretford Lancashire Vernon Williams abt 1892 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Stretford Lancashire Walter Williams abt 1864 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Stretford Lancashire Walter Williams abt 1899 Stretford, Lancashire, England Son Stretford Lancashire I don't understand your original message saying Lily went missing and Walter was in a institution in 1891?? Do you not have one of their childrens birth certs this would give you her maiden name and make finding the marriage easier if she was not married before marrying Walter! You need one of the childrens birth certs to clarify her maiden name but I found this Marriages Jun 1886**don't know if its right until you have a childs birth cert** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skidmore Lillie Chorlton 8c 1101 WILLIAMS Walter Chorlton 8c 1101 About Chorlton district Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1925 (renamed Manchester South). Sub-districts : Ardwick; Barton; Chorlton upon Medlock; Didsbury; Hulme; Stretford. GRO volumes : XX (1837-51); 8c (1852-1924). Ardwick, Barton Moss (1837-49), Barton upon Irwell (1837-49), Burnage, Chorlton cum Hardy, Chorlton on Medlock, Davyhulme (1837-49), Didsbury, Flixton (1837-49), Gorton, Hulme, Irlam (1837-49), Levenshulme, Moss Side, Openshaw, Rusholme, Stretford (1837-49), Urmston (1837-49), West Gorton, Withington. Registers now divided between Manchester, Salford and Trafford districts. Zoe

Breezy

Breezy Report 26 Mar 2006 15:49

Hi Zoe, Many thanks for your help again, indeed my Nichols had been spelt as Nicholds as you said, and I have now located him in Camdex under that name, again many thanks for your expert help.

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 26 Mar 2006 16:21

Hi Zoe Thanks for taking the time to look for me. I will follow up. Malcolm

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 16:29

Emma Now found these Don't know which is yours.. Births Dec 1880 Marvin Nellie Dist: Basford Vol: 7b Page: 171 Births Jun 1882 Marvin Nellie Dist: Basford Vol: 7b Page:165 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you order the marriage cert below you will get mary's maiden name if different to Marvin and also her fathers name. And the address they lived at time of marriage Marriages Sep 1881 Harvey Allen District : Basford Vol:7b Page:242 MARVIN Mary District: Basford Vol: 7b Page:242 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Was this her in 1891 Name: Nellie Marvin Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where Born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Basford Ecclesiastical parish: Old Basford St Leonard Town: Carrington County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Source information: RG12/2671 Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Basford ED, institution, or vessel: Basford Workhouse Folio: 160 Page: 9 GSU Number: 6097781 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Her mother?? in same workhouse Name: Mary Harvey Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where Born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Basford Ecclesiastical parish: Old Basford St Leonard Town: Carrington County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Source information: RG12/2671 Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Basford ED, institution, or vessel: Basford Workhouse Folio: 159 Page: 7 GSU Number: 6097781 Has a John Henry Harvey age 9 with her and a William 2 months old born Bulwell..**WHERE IS ALLEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901 Allen Harvey abt 1860 Sheepshead, Leicestershire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire John Harvey abt 1882 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Mary Harvey abt 1863 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Nottingham Nottinghamshire Willie Harvey abt 1891 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Gertrude Marvin abt 1900 Granddaughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire 8 months old Nellie Marvin abt 1872 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Stepdaughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire Your grandma do you have her birth cert? If you dont have it here is the ref to order it Births Sep 1900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marvin Gertrude Nottingham 7b 442 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In 1871 I found a Mary Marvin b Bulwell in 1865 They are the head's in-laws because he married their mother Sarah Cockayne abt 1824 Nottinghamshire, England Wife Bulwell Nottinghamshire William Cockayne Jr. abt 1826 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Head Bulwell Nottinghamshire Henry Marvin abt 1853 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son-in-law Bulwell Nottinghamshire Mary Marvin abt 1865 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter-in-law Bulwell Nottinghamshire Samuel Marvin abt 1851 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son-in-law Bulwell Nottinghamshire William Marvin abt 1854 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son-in-law Bulwell Nottinghamshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Same family 1861 with Sarahs 1st husband Head is a ?something? Maker (Silk) Address is Scrap Row Emma Marvin abt 1858 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Bulwell Nottinghamshire Henry Marvin abt 1852 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son Bulwell Nottinghamshire John Marvin abt 1848 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son Bulwell Nottinghamshire Samuel Marvin abt 1850 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son Bulwell Nottinghamshire Sarah Marvin abt 1823 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Bulwell Nottinghamshire William Marvin abt 1823 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Bulwell Nottinghamshire William Marvin abt 1854 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son Bulwell Nottinghamshire Williams death ref Deaths Sep 1866 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARVIN William 43 Basford 7b 76 So if this is your Mary's family then her father on the marriage cert should be William Marvin.. Hope this is of some help. Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 16:38

Raymond Could you please give me all the census info you have and give me the details from the 2 certs and I will see what I can come up with Zoe

John

John Report 26 Mar 2006 16:59

Hello Zoe, Can you please find the whereabouts of John Simeon (or Simeon John)Harris in the 1891 census most likely Staffs or Worcs. I know that he existed at that time as I have him in 1871 (4 years old) at home in Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis Staffs, and in 1881 (aged 14) again at home this time shown as Coombs Lane, Rowley Regis. His parents died in 1885/6 and therefore don't appear in 1891, so I have no idea where or with whom he might be living. I know he was alive at that time, as I have his Marriage Cert. dated 1896 and in the 1901 census Oldbury, Worcs with his new family. So where was he in 1891? I don't imagine that he traveled outside Worcs or Staffs, but no-one has yet been able to find him. in those counties. His birth place was shown as Cradley, Worcs and date 1866. Be interested to hear if you can solve this for me Regards John

Zoe

Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 17:20

John Could you post the 1881 census details and the 1901 details and if possible the details from the marriage cert like if there was an address. Zoe Ok found 1901 Ann Harris abt 1871 Gt Bridge, Staffordshire, England Wife Oldbury Worcestershire Frank Harris abt 1899 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Worcestershire John Semion Harris abt 1867 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Head Oldbury Worcestershire Mary Ann Harris abt 1900 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire