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Finding a burial, 1983 Hampshire ?

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Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 Mar 2011 15:48

Any ideas how best to find the resting place for someone who died in Hampshire in 1983?
I have a copy of the death certificate,registered Petersfield district, but the Sue Ryder home where he died has closed in 1997.
His home address was also in Hampshire and I phoned Havant District Council and also Portsmouth Council who both say he is not on their lists.
I have also established that he is not on the records of 2 crematorium in the area.
I have also phoned several funeral directors in the area, but some weren't even established then.

I know alot of places where he isn't, but how to find where he is?
What next please?

Gwyn

Thelma

Thelma Report 17 Mar 2011 16:05

Portsmouth or Havant are not Petersfield.
Try;
http://www.easthants.gov.uk/home.nsf/AtoZListing/Cemeteries+and+burials?OpenDocument&name=Cemeteries+and+burials

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 Mar 2011 16:15

Thank you for that SatNav.
I was going by information from the various people I phoned, but yours looks a promising link, Thank you.

Gwyn

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 Mar 2011 16:37

Spoke to a very pleasant helpful lady, but sadly he's not listed there.

The search goes on...........

Gwyn

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 Mar 2011 16:52

I don't think it will make much difference Colin. I might have to search every churchyard records at the Record Office........

He was Malcolm BOTTEN....d. March 1983
His death registration is a year adrift re. birthdate. He was born in 1909.

Gwyn

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Mar 2011 16:55

Have you tried contacting the Sue Ryder Organisation

Sue Ryder Care, 114-118 Southampton Row, London WC1B 5AA
call: 0845 050 1953 email: info@suerydercare.org
Sue Ryder is a charity registered in England and Wales (1052076) and in Scotland (SC039578). Company limited by guarantee registered in England and Wales (943228).
Registered office: Kings House, King Street, Sudbury, Suffolk CO10 2ED


Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 Mar 2011 17:11

Thanks for your interest Shirley.
I phoned this morning, but might try a different number.

I wondered though whether they would have a record of where he went, Maybe they would only have that he died in their care, rather than where he was actually buried.,but I can but try again.

Gwyn

Contrary Mary

Contrary Mary Report 17 Mar 2011 22:12

Was he in the Navy or Marines at all? If so, google cemetary+gosport.

There are 2 or 3, I know Anns Hill cemetary is the one most often used for ex service people (there is a section especially for them) but I don't know about the other ones.

Good luck.

Mary

Edit: the others seem to be naval ones too.

Another edit: Have a look at this link......there is a cemetary in Petersfield.

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives/hals-collections/cemetery-registers.htm

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 17 Mar 2011 23:54

Was he married? Where was his wife buried?

I see he went to New Zealand. Could his remains be there?

Rose

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 18 Mar 2011 00:31

If he died in a care home I'd be very surprised if no one from the home attended his funeral. Every funeral I have been to where the deceased died in a home there has been at least one member of staff from the home at the funeral as a mark of respect.

I would think the Sue Ryder organisation should know of someone who worked at the home at the time of his death who would know if any member of staff attended the funeral.

Kath. x

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 18 Mar 2011 09:05

Sorry, I was out baby sitting...........

Thank you for your interest everyone.

Malcolm was born in Portsmouth and was a lifelong friend of my father, even through many letters over decades when Malcolm went to live in New Zealand.

He returned to UK in 1950s and always lived in the Portsmouth area or just north of the city.
He was not a Navy man.
He kept in touch with our family after Dad died in 1970s, but perhaps felt strange without Dad there, so visited less frequently and eventually it was just an exchange of cards at Christmas and birthday.

His father must have died fairly young because Malcolm's mother remarried in 1930s. She may have gone to live with her daughter in Salisbury area, so I might target that area too.....but as her name became SMITH, I might be in for a long haul.........

I checked Salisbury online book of remembrance for the crematorium without success.

The care home closed and the staff made redundant apparently, so I wouldn't know how to check them. I think it may have been more like a hospice for his final days, as a home address.(in Waterlooville) is also shown on the certificate.

I will contact The News, -the Portsmouth area daily paper in case there was an announcement.
My family didn't find out until some time after his death, or we would definitely have gone to the funeral out of respect for his lifetime of friendship to Dad.
His only known relative and next of kin was his elder sister Ivy, who registered the death. She gave an address in Salisbury, so I'm trying to think what she is likely to have decided to do. ie. bury him in the area where he'd been born and returned to, ..or take him to Salisbury where she was then.?

I will find him.


Gwyn

ElizabethK

ElizabethK Report 18 Mar 2011 15:09

He comes up if you put his name in the Search Trees box-just the one hit

Caroline

Caroline Report 18 Mar 2011 15:48

All residential homes are registered by The Care Quality Commission, who also inspect the running of those homes. The death of a vulnerable person within a residential home would be notified to them by the care home in question ( it is a legal requirement ), so I would contact the commission to find out if they have further details. Even if the home has subsequently closed, they should still hold information which would be useful to you. Good luck

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Mar 2011 21:29

Can't see any children for Ivy so no hope there.

Rose

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 19 Mar 2011 00:31

Hi Gwyn,
Have you tried the Sustainability Centre at East Meon?
Not sure when it started burials, but it's near to the old Sue Ryder home.
http://www.sustainability-centre.org/#

Jan.jan

Jan.jan Report 19 Mar 2011 10:40

I've been to the Sustainability Centre to visit a burial plot and the man in the Office is very knowledgeable and very helpful.
He has an excellent memory and if your person is there, he will be able to tell you

Jan

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 19 Mar 2011 11:20

Thank you everyone, you have been great at suggestions of places to search.
I have some new leads to chase now.

I am in contact with Jo whose name shows on Search Trees

The Sue Ryder home was more like a hospice for terminal care in this particular situation, so that is why a home address is also listed on the death certificate.

Malcolm had a brother Cyril ( died in Canada in the War) and sister Ivy.
As far as is known, none of them had children in this country.Malcolm's mother died in 1960s, I think.

At the moment I am waiting on replies from Salisbury Crematorium in case Ivy arranged a funeral there and also waiting to hear from Sue Ryder staff, as I was told that a particular lady there managed to track down information re. a similar request, even though in that case the particular home had also closed.

You've all been so good, so I will update this thread when I get news.

Gwyn
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Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 21 Mar 2011 15:21

Still searching..........

The Sustainability Centre replied to say they opened later than that date.

Staff at Portsmouth library have checked for a death notice in the local paper without success.

Awaiting other replies......

Gwyn

RobG

RobG Report 21 Mar 2011 15:37

Gwyn,

You mentioned originally that the death was registered in Petersfield district.
I would suggest, as a starting point, the Cemeteries Dept of East Hampshire District Council, as they seem to cover this area (they certainly maintain Petersfield Cemetery and their offices are in the town).
According to their website, this is the number for that department: 01730 234285
If your friend was cremated, this council appear not to have their own facilities but mention four close by. I would suggest that the Cemeteries Dept would be able to suggest which would be the more likely for the area.
Good luck in your search.

Rob

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 21 Mar 2011 16:10

Rob
Thank you for that.
I have contacted East Hampshire District Council and unfortunately he is not listed.
The staff there are very helpful though and in the past have sent a cemetery plan and location spot for a relative's grave near Alton.

I've checked Portchester Crematorium and Chichester one.

Am awaiting a few e mail replies before I start the haul of village churchyard records.

I am wondering whether he left a Will, which might mention his burial wishes.

Thanks for your interest.

Gwyn