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NOT Harry Breed b1876 Shefford Bedfordshire

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JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:50

Thank you Jill - that is interesting - might not be mine but could be that Ernest Henry Breed used the name Harry and maybe he was the one in Islington in 1901 - which means that I have maligned my g grandfather in thinking he was using an alias. Or is it possible he had a connection / knew about the family of Breeds and used the name!


JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:51

Yes Thomas Ambrose is my gg grandfather - also to be found as Thomas Oakley


JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:59

So what do you think?

The 1901 Harry Breed - is it an alias or is/was there really a Harry Breed born in 1876 in Shefford who happened to be in Ashdown Street, London in early 1901 with William Donnelly for the Census, then disappeared off somewhere - possibly back to Ampthill - decided he didn't like being an Excavator and decided to become a sweep?

Or was it my g grandfather William Ambrose (or Willie Oakley as he appears on an earlier census) waiting until he could marry Maud and using a different name?


JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 20:10

Hi Jill

Definitely an 1876 Harry birth according to the 1901 Census so probably not Ernest Henry Breed.


Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Jul 2012 20:18

At the marriage of William AMBROSE to Maud HILL (known to be your family)... there is a Bessie AMBROSE as witness.
Is this her perhaps in 1901 living in the right general area, but note her birthplace might link to K's 1891 census find....?

Name: Bessie Ambrose
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Baldock, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:...26 Hanover Street.

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 154
Folio: 146
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
George Millard 54
Elizabeth Millard 50
Bessie Ambrose 20 ..

So is Bessie the sister of your great grandfather?



K Report 2 Jul 2012 20:29

Except for the birthplace I had thought this could be William


SPRATT, Rose Head Widow F 46 1855
St Pancras, London
SPRATT, Amelia Daughter Single F 17 1884 Bottle Labeller
St Pancras, London
SPRATT, Thomas Son Single M 15 1886 Corker
St Pancras, London
SPRATT, Frank Son Single M 8 1893
St Pancras, London
ANBROSE, William Boarder Single M 24 1877 Bricklayers Labourer
St Pancras, London
PEACH, Charles Boarder Single M 28 1873 Tram Conductor
St Pancras, London

Piece: 153

Folio: 174

Page: 67

Registration District: St Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras

Municipal Borough:

Address: 41, Herbert Street, St Pancras

County: London


JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 21:13

Yes Bessie is the sister to William (earlier census posted shows her as Elizabeth, also seen her as Betsey), but the Census posted by K is very interesting indeed - I tried to find William in all sorts of places and combinations but didn't try that as a mis-spelling so maybe that is him then - just giving a different birthplace but using his name (sort of)


JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 21:29

That is very interesting census information at 41 Herbert Street, I think that could possibly be him and not identity theft of Harry Breed! I knew William must be somewhere in London in 1901 and the evidence seemed to point to Harry - but now I am inclined to think that it was just an error in recording his name and he is down as Anbrose rather than Ambrose and living in Herbert Street.

Thank you all for your investigations - I might have to leave poor Harry alone now (still don't know who he is - but don't think he is one of mine)



Vera2010 Report 3 Jul 2012 05:15

Oops I didn't check the thread for previous posts.

The Annie married to Harry Breed in the 1911 census is possibly Sarah Ann B Odell who was previously known as Billington. Her mother Julia Billington married Arthur Odell and lives in the same area as Harry and Annie in 1911.

I have not been able to find a birth registration for Albert Breed born 1901 Maulden and wonder if perhaps he was born to Annie prior to her marriage using the name Odell or Billington.

This is William's christening record

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about William Ambrose Name: William Ambrose
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1876
Christening Date: 27 Aug 1876
Christening Place: Baldock, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: Thomas Ambrose
Mother's name: Eliza



patchem Report 3 Jul 2012 07:21

The Albert Breed from 1911 census:
Births Dec 1901
Billington Albert Edward Ampthill 3b 359


JannieAnnie Report 3 Jul 2012 08:51

Vera:, Thank you for the christening record, I didn't have that, and Patchem thank you for the Breed information. I am storing all Breed info as I think that a connection will turn up and fit into my tree somewhere. After a few hours rest I think that I am veering toward the Herbert Street William Anbrose (with an N) as my g grandfather now - and discarding Harry Breed as a relative (for the time being).

Thank you to everyone - I really appreciate all the help and info in response to my thread



JannieAnnie Report 7 Mar 2013 13:22

I am using this thread as it has (some) information on William and Maud – but here is information relevant to this search:

William Ambrose and Maud Hill married in December 1901 (EDIT: originally put 1904 - sorry it was 1901) in Islington, on the 1911 Census they are at 40 Wendon Street in Bow with 3 children George (1903 Hornsey Rise), William (1905 Old Ford) and Beatrice (1909 Old Ford). The Census shows 4 children born, only 3 living.

I am trying to find the missing, if possible. So far,

Looking at Islington likely Births/Deaths there is:

Violet Jessie b March 1904 (GRO1B 250); d June 1904 (GRO 1B 152)

Looking at Poplar (including Stepney and Whitechapel) likely Births/Deaths there are:

Reginald Arthur b March 1902 (GRO 1C 677); d Sept 1902 (GRO 1C 352)
Mary b Sept 1905 (GRO 1C 367); d June 1906 (GRO 1C 292)
Walter Frederick b June 1907 (GRO 1C 535); d Sept 1907 (GRO 1C 142)
Mary not sure of likely birth but died Dec 1910 (GRO 1C 154)

In my opinion too many small deceased Ambroses – any suggestions please?

Thank you


patchem Report 7 Mar 2013 18:21

You have the children born in 1903 (before the marriage?), 1905 and 1909, so the most obvious gap is 1907.
But you would have to buy the certificate to be sure.


JannieAnnie Report 7 Mar 2013 18:23


Thank you, that is what I thought 1907 - but then I realised I had put 1904 - should be 1901 (other lot were 1904), will amend my original.